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Pensioners fuming over government ‘theft’


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It would seem that the DWP knew "its information was not reaching the women affected" before the changes came into effect.

 


 

"On Wednesday, the first day of the hearing, Mansfield produced internal Whitehall documents proving that the government knew there was “widespread ignorance” among many women that they were about to lose their pensions.

 

Making the documents public for the first time, Mansfield showed that the DWP discussed in 1998, 2000, 2007, 2011, 2012 and 2015 the fact that its information was not reaching the women affected.

 

The department issued leaflets, launched a media campaign and, in later years, wrote letters to some women to alert them to the changes. But Mansfield said that despite this, many women remained unaware of the changes until they either went to draw their pensions, heard about the legislation by chance, or were sent an official letter 16 years after the original changes were passed, leaving them with no time to make alternative financial arrangements."
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What a well considered comment...from a man! Most women earn minimum wage, by the time bills and food have been serviced, just how much money do you think can be put towards a pension? Is six years of a few hundreds of pounds really going to make much difference. Put aside your personal grievance against women ( we are not all money grubbing monsters) This has been a real shock for a lot of women, who are traditionally poorly paid and have no work place benefits. We are not asking for anything other than we had been led to expect.

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^^Gentlemen, retiring later will give you a few more years in employment, which is an ideal way of building up some more wealth, and also not being a burden on the tax-paying public.  It's a wink-wink situation for the Westminstorean winkers, but of course there are a lot of political scabs that are no more than a very expensive leech. Remember to retire later though. That way you get less of a pension, that you've already contributed towards through tax.

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Women could choose higher paid work, but the choices they make from the time that they are in school through their working lives often sets them up for lower paid positions, although most of the women that I am surrounded by earn considerably more than I do. Some of them have more than twice my basic salary going into a pension pot each year, and good luck to them.

 

Retirement should not come as a shock to any of us. Neither should it be news that no-one lived the high life on a state pension, or that politicians are anything but duplicitous tw@ts. Nothing stays the same, and we all should have something tucked away for our old age. Those few hundred extra pounds will make a difference. I am sure if the government were taking a few hundred extra pounds off you, you would soon be moaning.

 

We have to face facts, none of us were born into the royal family where you can live high on the hog whilst parasitically draining the money from the taxpayers.whilst some of those citizens are dying, cold and homeless on the streets, so that you can have The Diamond Jubilee State Coach:

 

As well as being bulletproof has electric windows, heating, plenty of gold leaf and each door handle is inlaid with 130 sapphires and 24 diamonds. Source: Private Eye Number 1495.

 

Feral feminists played into the hands of the government with their calls for equality, well, the best bits anyway. If anyone is to blame for your predicament ladies, it's the sisterhood.

 

I have no grievance against women. I enjoy the time I spend in their company, except the feral feminists, but that is because of the damage they do to the cause of women.

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My first job paid £12 a week. Since that I have had many low paid jobs. I remember one job, which was 50 hours a week paying £3.75 an hour, which was the hardest physical work I have ever done. Strangely we never had a female applying for that type of post.

 

I currently earn well below the average wage

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^It is still very easy to earn below the average wage. As of 1 April last year, both males and females (Nothing sexist there, unlike......) over the age of 25 would receive a legal minimum rate of £7.83 per hour in the U. K. Average, £17.50 per hour, almost three times what the legal minimum wage was.

 

Remember to tell the women what a good idea it would be for them to carry on working for a few more years, as you have already done. Then there's a much better chance of them getting absolutely nothing out of Westminster as a pension, because there's a much better chance of them keeling over - dead as a doughnut before they get a single penny out of what they've contributed, but that's Westminster doing its job, robbing the peeps while keeping themselves very comfortable.

 

But remember to tell the women. Well, remember to tell them something. Suppose that it doesn't really matter what you tell them. After all, there's a good chance that when they're listening they'll be wide awake, and thinking, "How sexist!!!"

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Statistics show us that men will be keeling over many years earlier though, as previously mentioned.

 

Sexist? Sexism is feeling that you have some special privilege over the opposite sex, such as being able to retire early. I am pro-equality, in fact I want more equality.

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@BigMouth - are you intentionally being misogynistic, what with your references to "Ladies" (implying a certain standard of behaviour for WOMEN) and "feral feminists"?  Nothing quite like a bit of mansplaining ...

Women tend to earn less.  Women are usually the ones bringing up children; not everyone is entitled to the enhanced maternity pay and many only get it for six months, not longer.  Many women work via temporary contracts and/or part-time.  Childcare costs an arm and a leg, and even if you do manage to get a decent childminder or nursery, the availability for during school holidays is seldom full time.  Despite legislation, there's still employers who won't employ women of child-bearing age.

So women are at a disadvantage as compared to men, their pension contributions are less.

The change in law regarding women and men retiring at the same age came in as a result of EU equality laws, perhaps once we've left that quango things can go back to how they were, with women retiring at an earlier age or at least being compensated for the fact they usually have a smaller pension pot than men.

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The change in law regarding women and men retiring at the same age came in as a result of EU equality laws, perhaps once we've left that quango things can go back to how they were, with women retiring at an earlier age or at least being compensated for the fact they usually have a smaller pension pot than men.

 

The EU Directive that influenced elements of UK pension legislation and wider social security equalities is from 1978. Since then the UK has introduced several additional pieces of domestic legislation that went beyond the EU requirements, but have failed to meaningfully address the underlying economic factors of pension inequality, so it's a bit of a stretch to blame the EU.

 

Re: "things can go back to how they were" - if we leave the EU I sincerely hope we don't return to the gender equality attitudes of the 1970s!

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^ The E.U. directive, re 1978, tends to suggest just how democratic it is. Very Tony Tajani - nowhere near democracy, and no chance of spelling it.

 

Why I see so many Spanish fishing boats in St. Magnus bay I don't know, but that's the democracy that you get inflicted upon you - whether you want it or not. Ask Anthony Eden, he'll no doubt lie about what he did in 1957. Very democratic though.

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