Self-detemination motion

[Urabug]

Does this still stand :-

 Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.

[Capeesh]

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/09/24/sic-makes-contact-with-governments-over-self-determination

This letter to the PM and First Minister seems to me, to put it as kindly as possible, ill thought out.

This bit at the end of the letter sticks out for me...

 

“...The council intends to conduct extensive research into the most attractive future model and would formally request a meeting with you and relevant senior ministers to discuss options in early course...”

 

A few things bother me about this, here's a couple for starters..

 

In the absence of any of the councillors I elected mentioning they were seeking changes to Shetlands constitutional status, would it not be prudent, before they spend our money on "extensive research", to ask us, the people who put them there, what we want first?

 

Even if you ignore the democratic argument in the first point, would it not make a bit more sense to "conduct extensive research" before they wrote to them? Are they expecting the PM and FM to drop Covid, Brexit, running the country etc, and do it for them?

Edited October 14, 2020 by Capeesh

[George.]

^Personally, I don't think that the Council really needs to carry out their extensive research. However, it does need to be considered what Holyrood does to us and the fact that Westminster has been stripping us bare the whole way, all thanks to James VI.

 

IMHO, of course

[Colin]

The people of Shetland do not appear to matter just to much to either Westminster, or Holyrood.

What seems to matter to them is our resources.

 

IMHO, of course. 

[George.]

I would suggest that they mean a huge amount less to Westminster, but they love it when the oil is coming in. That mean tax, tax, tax - and they'll strip us bare as they give away our fishing waters.

 

IMHOOC.

Edited October 15, 2020 by George.

[George.]

I’m sure that the vast majority of Shetland knows fine well that Shetland became part of Scotland in 1472, while Scotland, including Shetland, signed the Acts of Union and became part of Great Britain in 1707. However, now an awful lot of people north of the English border want to go it independly, including an awful lot of people now in Shetland that vote S.N.P. 

But U.K. Tories start war gaming to prevent Scottish independence.

When the Tories, and no doubt the vast majority of Westminster go this way, does it show clearly just how democratic Westminster really is?  

Does it show what they really think of everybody else?  

Does it show, clearly and directly, just how pompous they are? 

Does it show that Westminster only cares about Westminster?

 

What self-detemination will Shetland ever get if we don’t shout loud and and very, very hard!!! 

 

[Claadehol]

Well yes George, there is an awful lot of people, (or a lot of awful people whichever way you want to look at it), now in Shetland that vote SNP.

 

Oil has brought new wealth to Shetland and it has also brought changes many of which have been for the better. It also has its downside.

 

Shetland has always been very different to mainland Scotland, throughout history, and I dont fully understand why people would wish to change that. Clans, kilts, and tartan tam o shanters have their place in mainland Scotland and should be left there.

 

The SNP which belongs mainly in the central belt, is interested in Shetland only because of the oil, gas, and fishing wealth that is concentrated here. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy, politicians are all the same they will look after themselves and their cronies. The SNP are being torn apart from within, despite and partly because of the iron hand of nippy Nicola and her husband. This will get worse before it gets better.

 

Banner waving, anti English rhetoric, and tartan kilted terrorists should be confined to that central belt, and Shetland should be allowed to continue in its historically welcoming way to all comers.

 

Shetland should not have to change its ways to suit anyone, whether from mainland Scotland, Ireland, Wales, or England.

 

Or incomers from anywhere else for that matter.

[George.]

The SNP which belongs mainly in the central belt, is interested in Shetland only because of the oil, gas, and fishing wealth that is concentrated here. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy, politicians are all the same they will look after themselves and their cronies. The SNP are being torn apart from within, despite and partly because of the iron hand of nippy Nicola and her husband. This will get worse before it gets better.

 

I got the idea that some of us would not believe that those in Westminster would be in any way interested in oil, gas or fishing, but there again..... 

Blue is Tory, orange is Lid Dem and yellow is.........

 

The Scottish Parliament

Edited October 20, 2020 by George.

[George.]

Has John Major got it right this time, or is he just doing what Westminster does - winding us up?

 

John Major tells Boris Johnson not to rule out a second independence referendum

[George.]

The people of Shetland do not appear to matter just to much to either Westminster, or Holyrood.

What seems to matter to them is our resources.

 

IMHO, of course. 

 

Boris Johnson ‘caught red-handed’ in contempt for Scottish people.

 

Obviously, Shetland is included in his verbal guff.

[whalsa]

To anyone not aware, the below event is taking place online tomorrow night. It is free to attend and has some interesting speakers! 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/reflections-on-self-determination-an-island-perspective-tickets-128641960567?aff=ebdssbeac


 

[Urabug]

On 30/11/2020 at 18:07, whalsa said:

To anyone not aware, the below event is taking place online tomorrow night. It is free to attend and has some interesting speakers! 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/reflections-on-self-determination-an-island-perspective-tickets-128641960567?aff=ebdssbeac

Just more BULL**IT to create more division in our already broken society.More sense if they would all work together,rather than against one another.

[Davie P]

On 30/11/2020 at 20:31, Urabug said:

Just more BULL**IT to create more division in our already broken society.More sense if they would all work together,rather than against one another.

I completely agree. Brexit was indeed a terrible idea

[Ghostrider]

On 30/11/2020 at 22:19, Davie P said:

 

On 30/11/2020 at 20:31, Urabug said:

Just more BULL**IT to create more division in our already broken society.More sense if they would all work together,rather than against one another.

I completely agree. Brexit was indeed a terrible idea

Joining the EEC was a much worse one.

Things worked out so much better while we were occupying them and telling them what to do. 

[NullVoid]

Nothing wrong with preparing the local administration for a Free State of Bottleneck or Singapore situation.

Could have a local Assembly but instead of wasting money on politicians just have residents vote directly on things that politicians would normally decide like ferry timetables, local issues maybe even lockdowns.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/U-oQTnTrZsw

We have a government intent on playing Jenga with the economy and various regions of the country and pulling out the glue that holds us together.

I predict anyone who has not been lucky enough to be allowed to continue to work by virtue of being in one of the state approved professions yet is not happy to be confined to their home will be very angry at the administration,

They could take out their frustrations on the authorities and if they organize and cause significant disruption possibly escalate into something that looks like the troubles.

 

The troubles happened in Northern Ireland because a large portion of the population treated the authorities as an occupying force and refused to cooperate with them to stop the Marxist-Leninist IRA and when they got more powerful those that would normally report them decided to keep their noses out for fear of repercussions from either side.

 

If something like that happens on the mainland and the police and authorities are treated with contempt after annihilating all goodwill it is a recipe for disaster.

 

As the sayings go: Idle hands are the devils plaything,

Something, something "not embraced" something, something "will burn it down to feel its warmth”

 

Look at this propaganda from the Chinese government i find it extremely interesting that they would target this at a western country similar to our own.

“-Don’t be afraid, We are coming to bring you peace! –“

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_3K21lMSnEM

Draw a few marionette strings on that guy and you have something indistinguishable from what would be produced by the types who would call soldiers **gbots or Corporate mercenaries such as the Anti-war left and Isolationist right within any first world country.

 

Seems like a foreign government might have incentive to fund and arm rebels if that is conducive to their goals if western countries pursue a policy china does not like.

And plenty who feel they have nothing to lose if we are usurped because they feel they have no steak in the system anyway

https://www.youtube.com/embed/s6E6jgs8cxA

Our left right divide is more an individualist vs. collectivist issue likely originating in the psychology of the Sneaky mating strategy.

Basically the cunning would knock them up while the weak and strong were busy fighting it out.

Individualist(Strong/Self sufficient) Collectivist (Dependant/Co-operative)  Manipulative (Isolationist or community orientated whichever suits their desires)

These 3 groups seem to align pretty well with our left right dichotomy though we don’t have nature culling the Individualists who aren’t self sufficient or culling the uncooperative collectivists like it otherwise would.

 

Lockdowns give all who oppose the Collectivist a common enemy to unite against and causing disruption to goad the administration into shooting itself in the foot and biological warfare is a potential strategy.