George. Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 Coronavirus: Nicola Sturgeon confirms more deaths in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 What happens when everything gets back to normal and we get a relapse,say several incidents occurring throughout the UK and elsewhere will we all be ordered back into isolation? I find it difficult to believe that this virus will be easily eradicated and fear it will still be around for a while after everything supposedly gets back to normal, and it will appear from time to time. Trust they find a vaccine soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 ^When has everything ever been normal Windwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Whats the EU doing about this massive crisis which has hit Europe ? I have not heard of a single measure that they have taken they seem totally impotent in the face of this disaster . They have retreated to their parliament [ soon to be closed with no loss of expenses for the MEPS of course ] to lament the reinstatement of national borders and whinge about the loss of ''European values '' Its been left to Russia ,China and Cuba to fly in massive quantities of medical aid and personal because of course the EU has allowed the outsourcing of most of Europe's pharmaceutical industry to China .They stole medical supplies from Switzerland and UK when it was en route in their territory to commandeer them. As for Russia, China and Cuba Dear Italy Having some <contentious political issue>and we are having some issues with <political/strategic goal>Remember those doctors and medical supplies? We can trust Italy will reciprocate this generosity. -Sincerely Russia and or China and or Cuba Dear Italy The flowing directives are to become law<List of directives>like it or lump it Defy them and be punished! -Sincerely Germa... i mean European Union Gee it seems like they have different diplomatic arrangement Edited March 27, 2020 by NullVoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostrider Posted March 28, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 What happens when everything gets back to normal and we get a relapse,say several incidents occurring throughout the UK and elsewhere will we all be ordered back into isolation? I find it difficult to believe that this virus will be easily eradicated and fear it will still be around for a while after everything supposedly gets back to normal, and it will appear from time to time. Trust they find a vaccine soon. Recurring outbreaks are the trade off for 'flattening the curve', you end up with a slow burn that goes on for a long drawn out period, as opposed to having let it have a free for all, with a massive initial carnage and getting it over and done with. At the end of it all the pile of stiffs won't be much different in size, its just the impact (mostly psychological) on the population that changes. Its all about the numbers gane of reaching critical mass, you have to achieve a point where the number of potential hosts for the virus are the minority of the population, through either antibody hosts or bodies in boxes, for it to falter and eventually peter out naturally. Flattening the curve does allow for the possibility of the virus mutating in to a weaker much less lethal version, and/or drier/warmer weather discouraging/eliminating it, but both are Russian Roulette, it could equally mutate in to a more contagious/virulent strain, or thrive better in drier/warmer conditions. A vaccine would be fine, but its not that straightforward. A significant proportion of those dying with this would have already been dead had they caught any flu in the recent past, and the only reason they've not caught an ordinary flu before now is there's been a vaccine for that for 40 years or so. All fine and good while it lasts, until you get something like we have at present, when yoiu have patients with very little hope of recovery who'd have gone last winter or before with nothing more than an ordinary flu, bed blocking while medics fight and mostly lose to keep them alive, to the point that people with asthma or suchlike, who could be far more easily saved, were they to get adequate treatment soon enough, are having to wait until they're an emergency case before they get it, leading to some of them not making it, that very likely would at any other time. While I don't doubt those who got an extra bit of time as a result of the flu jab appreciated that, you have to question if a vaccine is such a good idea in the bigger longer term picture, if when, like right now, you get something come along for which there is no vaccine or 'cure', and not only are you losing those who are only still around as a result of a previous vaccine, you're losing some who very probably needn't be lost, were it not for those who are only still around thanks to another vaccine hogging all of the facilities. Vaccines for diseases etc that have a high fataility rate, such as smallpox, diptheria, tetanus etc are fine and well,those things are what they are, they don't mutate like a flu virus, and dying from them is no reflection on the victims health or fitness. The flu never killed anyone, the complications associated with it does, and those are most lethal to the weak and frail, and those with poor health. There's a good argument to be made that if you're not healthy enough to survive a standard winter flu, maybe its time to take your exit from this mortal coil, as you're pretty much well f**ked all round anyway. One thing is certain though, we can't continue as we are, as while the flu vaccine has no doubt given a very many people additional weeks, months or even years of life they'd not had otherwise, the downside of it is at any one given moment the numbers or frail/unhealthy people are significantly higher than previously, as as soon as something like Corona comes round, the number of them in hospital beds are crippling and leading to some less frail/unhealthy people not getting adequae treatment soon enough, and becoming needless victims. We either need to accept that if someone is in a state that a normal winter flu would take them out, its best to let them go, or we need to invest massively in hospitals, staff and equipment adequate to handle the large numbers of those frail/weak people who get chest issues as soon as they get a whiff of a flu, just in case of the situation we're in right now.. Most of it would stand unused almost all of the timecosting Millions in upkeep. Between a rock and a hard place come sto mind, bit such are the moral/etithical dilemmas medical advances give to us as teh flip side of their 'benefits'. Colin, George., Urabug and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watter Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18341129.coronavirus-deaths-analysis-average-age-victim-italy-78-nearly-three-four-men/?fbclid=IwAR2oWZhHfAM9YmooLl3bhCDA5w-Mum3LbESB8rEDa1IJvPCixVE-Vtt3Jc8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Colin Posted March 28, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Well, I agree with Ghostrider on this one. It's a terribly "harsh" take on things but, If you want "herd immunity" then you have to start by culling the weakest/less fit/less able from the herd.!!! A horrible thought but, nature does it all the time with other "species", and we never bat an eyelid..!! Modern medicine is, indeed, a wonderful tool but, using it to keep people alive beyond their "natural" time and subjecting them to a much reduced "quality of life" where they need ongoing "support" as a consequence is "debateable". OK, nobody wants to lose anyone "close" to them, and we will all fight until our last breath, that's a given, but there needs to be a serious injection of reality at some point. We can't live forever !! NullVoid, CSmith, Heranme and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarsus Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 No vaccine for hypothermia. Very little help at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Is Covid-19 as bad as it is made out to be? Will it be a problem for the rest of our lives or will we become used to it? 65,000 Scots may have coronavirus, says chief medical officer The Spanish Influenza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarsus Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 We have got used to people dying from hypothermia. Far more cases in the UK than Covid-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 So Ghostrider ma'be Trump was correct, just let it run it's course,brutal inhumane to most of us but if we have reached a stage in our lives that we cannot survive this due to underlying health problems, then let the stronger survive to keep the system running. This would certainly from an economic view save the country a very large amount of money should the need for beds in care centers be reduced but I'm not that callous that I would want to see the many frail and elderly wiped out, but sadly that is what may well happen , a grim grim thought.. Now wonder what else is on TV to watch to cheer me up , Oh I know Pandemic then again possibly not.,should have bought some more paint and wallpaper Heranme 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) after the black plague many laborers received higher wages and were able to better provide for their families which bolstered the genetic success of the lineages most adaptive. a plague could be good for the job and housing shortage and crippled supply chains could be a boon to local manufacturing. https://www.youtu.be/3eQP6JoxtKk Edited March 28, 2020 by NullVoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 Far be it for me to oppose the much adored cull-of-the-weakest due to Covid19 but (here's your starter for 10) given, how the NHS would crumble under the weight of cases from this one virus alone; who do you think would handle care for all the heart attacks, strokes, flu and other normal every-day life takers? Who? I'd like to know as half of them will be knocked flat with just this one virus. To anyone proposing this to be some kind of "Mother Nature culling the planet due to over population" nonsense... you may like to imagine what may happen in 9 months time. The world population will more than recover. Capeesh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watter Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 The common Flu apparently kills on average 17,000 per year in the UK .https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarsus Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 Yes and hypothermia kills more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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