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Scottish Independence Referendum 2021


Scottish Independence Poll  

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  1. 1. Should Scotland be an independent country?

    • Yes
      15
    • No
      19
    • Undecided
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@George. you've peppered this and many other threads with vague, inaccurate and often xenophobic posts about things being 'inflicted' on 'us' and how it is 'undemocratic' but have failed to offer any

Maybe they would've had more joy with something like this...

Some sense, and some not-sense.

E.g. the comedian claims Scotland has a 'debt' - our debt is a proportion of UK debt. It's pretty much a moot point. An independent Scotland might end up with a budget deficit and/or increasing national debt, or it may not, so it would be more sensible to talk about that, but at the moment we are tied to UK debt.

E.g. drawing parallels between a logo featuring a bird and comparing it to Nazi party imagery is lazy commentary and false equivalence. Beware of Godwin's Law!

E.g. Siol Nan Gaidheal members, at best a fringe political movement, have been banned from the SNP since 1982. They've turned up with banners at pro-independence rallys, as is their right, but the SNP have consistently distanced themselves from their message. It's bad judgement, or unawareness, that SNP members have been photographed around Siol Nan Gaidheal banners.

As with any party or political movement, there will be individuals who hold more extreme views than others. Personally, I don't see the SNP as anti-english, but there's no denying there are some SNP supporters who are anti-English. I'm not a paid up member of the SNP (or any party) but I'm considering voting for independence based on the simple fact that Scotland consistently votes differently to England - my position is not anti-english in the slightest.

Trying to demonise the SNP as racist in its entirety is very unhelpful when there are serious discussions to be had and decisions to be made.

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15 minutes ago, Davie P said:

Personally, I don't see the SNP as anti-english, but there's no denying there are some SNP supporters who are anti-English.

It would also be fair to suggest that there will be a fair amount of the English that will also be against us, quite possibly more than expected. 

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2 hours ago, Wheelsup said:

A sizeable number of English people that moved to Scotland would like Scottish independence- in search of a socialist paradise no doubt- so define “us”.

Define "Us?"

"Us", is the first person plural pronoun, and is used as the object of a verb or a preposition.

But it's the only definition of it that I can offer, or so I believe.

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58 minutes ago, Davie P said:

You appear to be determined to drive the 'us' vs the 'English' agenda George, but won't answer straightforward questions when challenged. So who is the 'us' that you are speaking on behalf of?

I meant, in particular Davy, the people from around here. Having said that, James III was a Scot but we'll not go on about th......

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7 hours ago, George. said:

there will be a fair amount of the English that will also be against us*, quite possibly more than expected. 

*the people from around here

From a personal point of view, I've been to England many times and I can't think of a single instance of an English person being 'against' me because of where I'm from, so I don't think I'm part of that 'us' (I've had plenty of friendly jibes from other Scots and Shetlanders though!). 

I suspect that if someone has a xenophobic mindset then it would be natural for them to assume that the 'other' people have the same biases against them. From my own perspective, if someone doesn't like me because of where I'm from then so be it - it doesn't mean I dislike them back, and I certainly wouldn't base my Independence vote on something so puerile.

I hope that people make up their minds on how to vote based on facts and aspirations for a positive future, rather than using their vote in an attempt to perpetuate centuries old bigotry.

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