hakama Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 As England is Scotlands biggest trading partner why leave. What has Scotland got that would make the EU want to have Scotland. Spain would most likely vote against having Scotland as it has its own problem with Catalonia. Scotland could end up being on its own. As money would be needed to run the country some things would have to change and here is three to start with. No more free prescriptions for medicine no free rail/bus travel food/fuel prices through the roof. There are better ways for Scotland to prosper. blue beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2021/02/18/boris-johnson-responds-to-letter-on-shetland-self-determination-and-hopes-to-visit-isles-this-year/ Interesting link, but why did it take a FOI request to let us ALL know ? Could it be that some of our elected representatives do not trust us electors with information that could define our future. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) I have no political allegiance to any party so the Prime Minister is very welcome, but doubt if I will go out of my way to meet him. I would hope he is not led up the "garden path" with the "hot air" from our local town hall political representatives ,while democratically elected do not IMHO present the views of us all. The bright ideas of many of our councillors and political "friends" are not necessarily shared by the wider community. They should remember that. PS. I would recommend a visit to Just Gents while he is here ! Edited February 19, 2021 by Urabug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Lets have a look at how the UK government treats councils in England to see if our council is onto a winner with Boris... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55754882 George. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, Capeesh said: Lets have a look at how the UK government treats councils in England to see if our council is onto a winner with Boris... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55754882 It's only a matter of time before all councils will be struggling even more for funds ,with the country now £2.5 trillion pounds in debt , or something like that, where is the money going to come from to fund all the many" hungry" departments . Something has to sacrificed, no money no honey. Tough times ahead mainly caused by this pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I can understand our council using Scottish independence to try and leverage more funds from central government whether it's Edinburgh or London. I think playing the two governments against each other is a high risk strategy and the people doing it are way out of their depth but that's just my humble opinion. What I really don't like is being sold a pup with pie in the sky promises. One being the bizarre belief that autonomy means the UK government would suddenly forget about the £2.5 trillion debt and bankrupt English councils and take the revenues they currently collect and blow annually from the waters around Shetland and gift them to us. (copyright Wir Shetland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Capeesh said: I can understand our council using Scottish independence to try and leverage more funds from central government whether it's Edinburgh or London. I think playing the two governments against each other is a high risk strategy and the people doing it are way out of their depth but that's just my humble opinion. What I really don't like is being sold a pup with pie in the sky promises. One being the bizarre belief that autonomy means the UK government would suddenly forget about the £2.5 trillion debt and bankrupt English councils and take the revenues they currently collect and blow annually from the waters around Shetland and gift them to us. (copyright Wir Shetland). There's still many eyes on what's left of our "oil "money and plenty of government officials who would like to see us spend it on projects, which should be government funded. Who knows possible the PM maybe has ambitions to help us spend this money ,to create some employment and he will partly fund it. Tunnels !! Iceland and Faroe ,have, is it 200mile and 70 mile exclusion fishing boundaries ,this led to the demise of Aberdeen, Hull, and Fleetwood ,the end of the British trawlers, when they could no longer fish in Artic waters the chances of Shetland ever getting our own exclusion zone, is slim and anyway with modern fishing techniques the amount of folk it would give employment to is probably very few, but still it would be good to have some controls over what should be our own waters. Never get enough folk in Shetland to all agree about anything to make it happen. Might be easier to identify all that is wrong and fix that before looking to go it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zones) are for independent sovereign states not autonomous regions. For example the 'Falkland Islands EEZ' is the UK's EEZ, The 'Faroese EEZ' is Denmark's EEZ. If Scotland won independence they would have their own EEZ. It's up to the sovereign independent state to decide what they want to do with their EEZ. The big fat lie that Wir Shetland tried to fool us with is this... "Mr Tulloch sets out a case for autonomy based on Shetland’s “unique” position as an island group, that would see Shetland controlling the resources of its own 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). This would include the vast bulk of fossil fuels and a majority of the most productive fishing grounds at present in the UK EEZ." link here...https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2015/12/28/wir-shetland-sends-explanation-to-islands-minister I remember saying on here to supposed supporters of Shetland autonomy that we'd have more chance of a Faroese style of autonomy in an independent Scotland and was shot down in flames, then lo and behold a few months later I see Leslie Riddoch, a vociferous supporter of Scottish independence and admirer of the Scandanavian approach to government chairing a meeting in Shetland about Shetland autonomy. Edited February 20, 2021 by Capeesh Urabug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckle Oxters Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Is Wir Shetland still active? The last I mind reading about dem was dat dey'd fallin oot we each idder and aabody else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Interesting development with Alex Salmond and others setting up another indy supporting party to stand on the list in the May election, the big questions are...Will they secure enough votes to pick up seats and who will they take seats from if they do? Every party, including the indy ones, are in full panic mode so who knows what’ll happen? George. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I posted this on another thread but it's more approprite here : What would make this interesting to me is if the Alba party represent a fully independent Scotland, out of both the UK and the EU. If that's made clear, along with the SNP plan of trying to rejoin the EU, it will be interesting to see how it splits the vote. George. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted April 22, 2021 Report Share Posted April 22, 2021 There's hope yet Two new polls predict pro-independence majority at Holyrood election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakama Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 If anybody out there thinks that Scotland and its people will be better off out of the Union you are living in cloud cuckoo land and are delusional. Urabug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) ^^The same was said to every single one of the 60 countries that've gained independence from Westminster rule. I wonder why none of them have ever asked to give it up again? They can't all be delusional can they? Edited April 23, 2021 by Capeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakama Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 Scotland is in a different situation to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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