Njugle Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 both religion and theology were invented to assuage the pain of ignoarance!!!! I think you'd have to say evolved rather than be invented. they didn't pop up suddenly on a specific date. I do also think that religion has become about power and money. lol, I think the 'has become' was referenced on geological time, as in 'has become' in the past 1300 years. A new big dig at the Ring of Brogar in the news tonight, major structures discovered and given 'ritual' significance by educated archaeological scientists. Once again the converse projection of science that the object unknown from prehistory must have been ritualistic, whereas there may have been an entirely scientific and/or practical purpose for it. These crazy scientists and their belief systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Gods real name is Gordon Brown.He just want's to be called GodIt less in embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 NjugleI think you'd have to say evolved rather than be invented. they didn't pop up suddenly on a specific date.I would agree with that regarding some of the more ancient "religions"Hinduism for example plagiarized Zoroastrianism and Christianity did much the same with Judaism, but all the modern day religions were indeed invented. Christianity was invented late in the first century when a group of unknown authors penned the bible, it was given the seal of approval on 27th Feb 380 when Emperor Theodosius made it the official religion of the Roman empire. Islam was invented by Muhammad around 600. Frenchman Peter Waldo founded (invented) the first protestant Church in the 1100s. The JWs were invented in 1870 by Charles Taze Russell and others. Mormonism was invented by Joseph Smith in the late 1920s. Scientology was invented by L. Ron Hubbard in 1952. Pastafarianism was invented by Bobby Henderson in 2005. And don't even get me started on the Jedi knights. With the exception of the last two, I look at these "religions" and wonder if they are in competition to see who can make their followers adhere to the most ridiculous dogma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Invented? Well, probably not, on two counts. Firstly, as you say, Christianity was based on a template of much older 'pagan' religions, but I don't think even that is a fair assessment of its origins. The version of the doctrine that is familiar in the modern world is a result of repeated interpretations by chronologically placed scholars, the older versions of which were almost certainly interpreted a certain way for the purposes of the emperor. Even the most sophisticated mythology can be unravelled to reveal an earlier root, obscured by the transmission from generation to generation. A dragon from a crocodile, if you will. Mermaid from manatee. But, I digess, for the point I sought to make. To invent something is to create an item or idea that has not existed before. Christianity, as one example existed before in a loosely similar form and each permutation of it has been a further revamp of a previous theology. The second point I would make is that even to the most fervent Dawkinsian it is without doubt that the psychological and sociological elements of any major religion have evolved as man has evolved, the tribesman with his nature spirits, the statesman with his unquestionable doctrine, all have evolved over vast periods of time to fulfil needs within the human psyche. Even the prophet based religions that have radically changed social or cultural life in history relatively quickly have been the result of an evolved ability for reflections and self awareness in the individual that conceived of them and each has been developed over a time. The nearest of any of them to having a Eureka "inventive" moment would probably be that of Joseph Smith, but there is no direct evidence that his Eureka moment with the tablets was not actually a preconceived method to revitalise and mutate existing doctrine. Evolved, not invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Mormonism was invented by Joseph Smith in the late 1920s. Try 100 years earlier. Religion evolve but about quarter the speed of society, which is really unfortunate. If religion could keep up, I'd find it more warm and fuzzy. Evolved, not inventedWe can both agree that Mormonism and Scientology was invented though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Religion evolve but about quarter the speed of society, which is really unfortunate. If religion could keep up, I'd find it more warm and fuzzy. Agreed. Look at what I consider one of the most prolific religions today, that of the belief in man made global warming. Its believers constantly try to push dated ideas in our face and insist we have to believe or be damned, mising the singular common trait of all religion in that even if we did believe, if they are right, we're damned anyway! "movements" don't need an official name to be defined as religious, just a common belief in something illogical and/or fantastic that they think we should all adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Maybe that is an ideal rather than a religion.. I do not follow any form of religion, it annoys me that folk will still try to label me, but I think they do it cos they may not be able to understand what or how I think.. But I do believe in some ideals, ie, a fair justice system could be one, a safe place to live and the future of my childrens world.... Some I know I can do very little about..but I still think they should be defended, cos I believe it is the common good at stake.. There is a link I think between the demise of the family unit and going to church or being a god fearer (hate that phrase). But I also think that my children should make up their own minds when they are able, and not forced into any form of following.... Churches, temples and mosques of all faiths do loads of good in the community, as does the Masons, Lion Club and the Rotory movement (founded in part by a Shetland born man).. It is always a shame to read about conflicts in India, here all sides have a wonderfully colourful system of life, but sometimes I think it is political... I have spent many a time in a temple and had a great time, as with churches and Masonic halls.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Is It OK For A Christian Husband to Gently Beat His Wife? http://christwire.org/2009/04/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-husband-to-gently-beat-his-wife/ Feel the love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 http://www.thepaincomics.com/Jesus%20vs.%20Jeezus.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamnSaxon Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Here is a bit of good news for the alternative believer. Keep your sixth sense keen whilst reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khitajrah Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 ^ Maybe I should be paying attention to that recurring dream where a certain psychopath returns to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Just stumbled across a German site, there are translations into English. I find it amazing how narrow-minded and oblivient some people are: TEN ARGUMENTS AGAINST HARRY POTTER 1. Harry Potter is a global long-term project to change the culture. In the young generation inhibitions against magic and the occult are being destroyed. Thus, forces re-enter society which Christianity had overcome. 2. Hogwarts, the school of magic and witchcraft, is a closed world of violence and horror, of cursing and bewitching, of racist ideology, of blood sacrifice, disgust and obsession. There is an atmosphere of continuous threat, which the young reader cannot escape. 3. While Harry Potter appears in the beginning to fight against evil, in fact the similarities between him and Voldemort, the arch-evil adversary in the tale, become more and more obvious. In volume five, Harry is being obsessed by Voldemort, which leads to symptoms of personality disintegration. 4. The human world becomes degraded, the world of witches and sorcerers becomes glorified. 5. There is no positive transcendent dimension. The supernatural is entirely demonic. Devine symbols are perverted. 6. Harry Potter is no modern fairy tale. In fairy tales sorcerers and witches are unambiguous figures of evil. The hero escapes their power through the exercise of virtue. In the Harry Potter universe there is no character that endeavors consistently to achieve good. For seemingly good ends evil means are being used. 7. A (young!) reader’s power of discernment of good and evil is blocked out through emotional manipulation and intellectual confusion. 8. It is an assault upon the young generation, seducing it playfully into a world of witchcraft and sorcery, filling the imagination of the young with images of a world in which evil reigns, from which there is no escape. On the contrary, it is portrayed as highly desirable. 9. Those who value plurality of opinion should resist the nearly overwhelming power of this peer pressure, which is being accomplished through a gigantic corporate and multimedia blitz--one which displays elements of totalitarian brainwashing. 10. Since through the Potter books faith in a loving God is systematically undermined, even destroyed in many young people, through false "values" and mockery of Judeo-Christian truth, the introduction of these books in schools is intolerant. Parents should refuse permission for their children to take part in Potter indoctrination for reasons of faith and conscience http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/buecher/harry-potter/ It's a shame you can't read the whole page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6651/pettygod.png http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6797/cosmiczombie.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7136/sithpope.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7616/blasvic.jpg and of course, the blandest of them all... http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5389/atheistc.jpg Cthulhu for the win. (He eats Spaghetti Monsters for breakfast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 It's a shame you can't read the whole page!Why is it a shame, and why can't we read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 It's a shame you can't read the whole page!Why is it a shame, and why can't we read it? It's a shame because it's so stupid that it's kind of funny (if it wasn't actually sad or scary). But in the end I think it might be better for the blood pressure. And well you can read it but I'm not sure if you understand German.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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