Drugs in Shetland

[unlinkedstudent]

I take that as a no, then we are still debating with the uneducated perhaps.

 

That is a tad unfair. Just because people didn't go to one event does not mean they are uneducated regarding drugs, etc.

[shetlandpeat]

perhaps it shows the lack of concern when folk try to enlighten an area into the problems the area has and the area cannot be bothered but will still complain

May be the first comment may sound unfair, but it is even more unfair to victimise folk because of a social problem caused by the social ways of doing things.

Especially as there appears to be no real solution offered except to harm them in some way, destroy their fragile relationships that could be the key to a recovery and lambast folk who are being proactive, gettin involved and who care. But, sadly we as a community are turning into nasty gobshytes, well some of us...

[mhutch]

I take that as a no, then we are still debating with the uneducated perhaps.

 

That is a tad unfair. Just because people didn't go to one event does not mean they are uneducated regarding drugs, etc.

 

no no , the druggie lovers are very educated and the likes o any first hand experience in docklands Cardiff or high rise Edinburgh counts for nothing

[JAStewart]

no no , the druggie lovers are very educated and the likes o any first hand experience in docklands Cardiff or high rise Edinburgh counts for nothing

 

Ahh, the argument from personal experience. Everyone's favourite fallacy.

 

"Never let yourself be diverted by what you wish to believe, but look only and solely at what are the facts"

 

Years of getting it wrong and we're still blind. Portugal has the right idea.

[mhutch]

perhaps it shows the lack of concern when folk try to enlighten an area into the problems the area has and the area cannot be bothered but will still complain

May be the first comment may sound unfair, but it is even more unfair to victimise folk because of a social problem caused by the social ways of doing things.

Especially as there appears to be no real solution offered except to harm them in some way, destroy their fragile relationships that could be the key to a recovery and lambast folk who are being proactive, gettin involved and who care. But, sadly we as a community are turning into nasty gobshytes, well some of us...

 

so be it , your airy fairy mealy mouthed dribblings can and will do begger all for man or beast

[shetlandpeat]

I have done my bit to help...perhaps these outbursts are from those in fear of what they don't know. The psychology of these interactions and the reasonings behind them are themselves a facinating subject. No oil for you from here my friend, squeaky wheels and all that.

[mhutch]

man a squeaky wheel is music compared to the [mod]Deleted attempt at circumventing the sweary filter. It is there for a reason you know.[/mod] you speak , if your so well educated cant you realise drugs are a social scourge ? or are you one of dream land brigade who is desperate to fill society wi degenerates to the point of collapse ?

[shetlandpeat]

That is why there needs to be an educated responce to stop folk turning to drugs, the underworld using drugs to subdue women into the sex trade and it's use as a means to finance the criminal fraternaty, the US Gov and other Govs that tax such activities. More harm is done socially by driving this further underground buy punitive measures.

If your past experiences have brought you to the thoughts you allow to manifest then that is a sad thing and just shows that there needs to be a long term plan to prevent anything like this happening, or at least limit it.

You may want to put it in context too. More harm is done to society by drinking than any other drug, that is, more folk are harmed, become long lerm sick, more women are abused, especially when linked to national sporting events such as the world cup.

Happy New Year to you and let us hope that this problem is sorted for good, without vindictiveness and hate. The mark of us all is your forgiveness and understanding.

[mhutch]

middle class mind numbing tripe

[shetlandpeat]

Thanx for the status report...have a goodun

[Evil Inky]

if your so well educated cant you realise drugs are a social scourge ?

The debate isn't about whether drugs are a social scourge or not: it's whether legalising drugs (the ones which are currently illegal, anyway) would reduce or increase the harm caused by their use.

[mhutch]

no probs , just saying it like it is, no harm to you n happy new year when it comes

[shetlandpeat]

I have said in previous posts that drugs should be legalised and in that hope be more controllable.

It seems banning them does not work, because folk seem to think they are worse because they are illegal yet cannabis and its derivatives are known to do a lot of good.

And because they are against the law to possess, they harm society, because there is the underground measures taken to deal with them, no tax paid on their sale and the fact that only criminals are involved in drugs.

So, as previously mentioned and very soon forgotton because it does not fuel the vindictive arguments the evidence from Portugal and the acceptance of the population of Holland that to control it, remove the stigma to allow folk to come more to terms with their problem and not feel that they have no hope. Posters here have admitted to watching their friends succumb to drugs and claim to have done nothing to help. For the fear of grassing (no pun) your mates up to save themselves and their family and friends from a life within the drug culture. Some mate!

Hence if you could do this without being set upon by the ignaranuses that live along side us it would help address the problem, find out how to prevent it happening, treat those who have serious medical conditions that drive them to escape through drugs and educate the masses and therefore reducing the fx on society.

But dont treat it like alcohol, where kids are drunk on the streets, not going to school and becoming criminal in all their intentions..

[shetlandpeat]

And it is also obvious that we will not sort it here. And leave it to folks who can draw on greater worldly resources.

But there is nowt wrong in discussion and debate without the personal insults. There seems to be enough hate in the world without generating more for a problem we as individuals will have trouble sorting.

The bigger picture with this topic, and many others here is about how we treat other people we think lower than ourselves purley by our own estimations. Ha, me middle class, that put a smile on my face. I am not Ronnie Barker but sadly down with all you Ronnie Corbetts.

 

 

Again

 

Happy New Year

 

and may your God(s) look at you favourably

[mhutch]

mainland is a totally different ballgame to here , centuries have proven this very kinda deviant behaviour cant n wont work in such a small place until the deviants are the majority n the others have to move out, there is no annomimity here , no where to hide n everybody knows who the druggies are n mostly who supplies them , housebreaking starting and preying on the old and infirm has begun , hash to heroin is all coming from very similar sources and i really do believe the vast majority feel a damn severe clean out of the whole sordid thing is overdue. A willing and helpful majority is totally against it and the oppertunity is very much at hand to screen what comes in at limited points of entry. Shetland has been a quite affluent place with great standard of life n excellant crime rates so why let this get a foothold ? . Its completely avoidable. Keep it illegal. Keep it out and keep a good steady pressure on the participants