Climate Change & Global Warming

[KOYAANISQATSI]

so while you could say the last two decades have been anomalous, you can't say it for the century as a whole.

 

You can say that if you want; what you can't say is that you understand the nature of the Universe, the galaxy, the solar system or our planet enough to state that this is anything other than just the way it goes sometimes.

Those who have befuddled you with their crafty manipulation of the mainstream media, scientific opinion consensus by DENYING common sense and true science a look in; may indeed gain control over every penny in our pockets but if they think they have a hope in hell of controlling the true nature that moves our planets climate, then whether the wind blows hot or cold they will just find themselves pissing into it.

 

From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe

 

Wallace Thornhill

[Para Handy]

Well since we are supposed to be suffering from global warming ? it must only be my imagination that it’s been cold enough, to freez one’s nuts off for the past 3 weeks. And one has had to shovel , 3 cm of global warming of the front path.

[ArabiaTerra]

Errrr, that would be "winter", Para. I hear it happens most years.

[MuckleJoannie]

^^^

It's not been as bad as this for years. Most winters recently have been barely noticeable with hardly any frost.

 

 

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The Met Office said the chill could be as long and as drawn out as the Winter of Discontent in 1979, one of the coldest on record.

[Skunnered]

... And one has had to shovel , 3 cm of global warming of the front path.

Ah, so THAT's what that white stuff is!

[Para Handy]

Errrr, that would be "winter", Para. I hear it happens most years.

 

 

 

I’m sorry ArabiaTerra, it just with all the Global Warming press coverage!

It’s just that I was under the impression, that with Global Warming, there would be no more winters.

 

(What a silly that turned out to be.)

 

And we will all become, some sort of boil in the bag dinner for all the rats and all the exotic birds circling over head. Or just one large planet sized desert and no more snow. Evermore.

That Global Warming has now reached the same status, as the supposed second coming of Christ (or Viking Energy) and we should all go out, and worship windmills and burn a few councillors in a Wicker Man or something.

[Carlos]

When global temperatures go up, the only thing you can really say is that there is more energy knocking about in the climate. How that effects weather on small scale times and sizes is hard to guess at.

 

The cold weather at the moment is not because the average temperature is colder than usual, it's because the jet stream has a knot in it that is sending the warm westerly weather systems south and pulling in cold air from the north and east.

 

The one thing you could make a fair guess at is that higher global temperatures would make some changes in the weather, and a lot of things worldwide are pretty much based around just getting the usual kind of weather, and do not cope well with anything unexpected......

[ArabiaTerra]

True words.

[paulb]

so global warming is going to get us colder winters. thats just not fare. still look on the brightside were ment to have wetter summers to.

 

im sure the met said we were going to get warmer winters. the second colder than normal one in a row. a few more dozen and the global cooling taxs will be imposed.

[Carlos]

You might expect most winters a bit warmer and wetter, but I'm not convinced that we can say much more with any confidence.

The poles are expected to warm more than the tropics.... so that's maybe a bit warmer for us, but also less temperature gradient north-south.... so what effect does that have on jetstreams..... make instabilities more likely?

 

Politicians want firm predictions on localised effects to be able to plan for effects on infrastructure, but there are a lot of uncertainties that interact in complex ways, and that's before any changes in the systems we "understand".

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826543.700-poor-forecasting-undermines-climate-debate.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926692.800-editorial-better-climate-forecasts-will-bring-storms.html

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp

 

I have been studying Met latley and the above site does show a shift in the jet streams path , you should be able to find better examples of a jet stream chart if you have time to look , it stongly influences the tracking of depressions and its track fluctuates constantly along with its breadth and depth .

Also this article :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/01/arctic_conditions_arctic_cause.html

Is an other interesting description of how our winters turn out .

I guess thr debate will rumble on until were either wandering around in our loin cloths or sitting tight in our igloos !

Happy new year everybody .

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Just had another look at that jet stream forecast , it appears to track over the northern sahara at times .

I wonder if the desert will start turning green ??

[DamnSaxon]

... In fact, for most of the last hundred years temperatures have been well within the natural range. It's only in the 90's and 00's that the temperature records have been set consistently

 

I'd be interested to know how you can claim that, AT. Do you not remember the news from last September - news report here and elsewhere - that there are now no reliable records of global surface temperature, because the CRU have "lost" (or, perhaps more accurately, destroyed) all the original data. Oh, for sure, they now allow you to download "the data" from the Met Office site, but even there they tell you that this is not original data but "adjusted" data. They can't even tell you which data have been "adjusted", still less how (although, after "Climategate", we all know how). Don't trust me. Look on the Met Office site.

 

"Adjusted" data is corrupt data. It is "data" which shows exactly whatever the people who "adjusted" it want it to show. There is now no reliable data.

 

Accordingly, and I speak as someone who is appalled beyond belief that a group of self-styled "scientists" can deliberately destroy 160 years' work by real scientists, I feel perfectly justified in saying that there is now no credible data on which to base any of the catastrophists' scary fairy stories. In fact, there is no climate data on which to base any statement about climate now. The clique at UEA should be banned from ever again working in a scientific field after perpetrating that crime against knowledge.

 

And please don't give me a link to "realclimate.org". They are just a shouty shouty catastrophist propaganda site run by a media company, and certainly not a place where anyone will find unbiased information.

 

Nor Monbiot, who has lost all of what credibility he ever had. Remember his doom-laden piece in the Guardian (Dec 14th) - headline "This is bigger than climate change. It is a battle to redefine humanity." Precisely, George, precisely. And why should humanity allow itself to be "redefined" on account of a fairy story based on, remember, NO DATA?

[ArabiaTerra]

Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.

Quite.

[DamnSaxon]

^^^

Ah, nothing like the old ad hominem when you can't win the argument.

 

Your lot fouled up all the data in the field, then expect everyone else to accept their "adjusted" data as truth? Give us a break.