Mareel - Cinema & Music Venue

[paulb]

you really do seem to have an issue with people who choose to live here. you said that your family has been here for a 1000 years prove that please. you seem to think that your better than others that have moved here plain stoness. just because you were too lazy to move about does not make you better than a person from south.

 

it would have made sense to have built the cinima as part of the sports centre but has its being built lets just see how it does. if it managed right it should add to shetland. why could it not have been built as a joint building with the museum and they could have even added a new library on at the same time. it would have cost more but it would have been worth it.

[groilick]

you really do seem to have an issue with people who choose to live here. you said that your family has been here for a 1000 years prove that please. you seem to think that your better than others that have moved here plain stones. just because you were too lazy to move about does not make you better than a person from south.

Du’s fairly right paulb.

I’m seek o da rabit ranting o dis nortmooth pseudo-Viking. Wis Picts wir here lang afore ony o' yon seilke-showin, yowe-shafters got blown across da nort sea.

[skaterboy]

7 schools to be closed to save money almost enough money saved to pay for mareel.

when the decision was made by councillors/trustees to build the damn thing the financial crisis was already upon us. so yes Njugle I do think they are witless buggers.

To lazy to move about paulb I don't think so I have lived in many parts of the world before choosing to return home, and not once did I try to impose my will on the locals anywhere I lived. nor did I sit there with my hand out expecting others to fund my lifestyle choices.

[paulb]

but why do you believe its south folk who want it. so what over the past 40 yers would you object to. would you prefer shetland to have stayed as it was before the oil. sorry but life moves on if we want the younger folk to stay then it has to be intresting for them.

[Ghostrider]

^^ Its interesting to speculate what Shetland might have evolved to become today *if* oil hadn't been discovered and *if* the U.K. hadn't joined the E.E.C. It would have been hugely different, that much is IMHO reasonable to suppose.

 

The last 40 years have brought many changes, many good, but unfortunately many bad as well. Had the last 40 years evolution taken another route to the present, no doubt there would have been many things about it that was good, but also some that were bad too. The debate is whether what we'd have become now if things had gone on evolving as they'd done for years, or the new directions that were foisted upon us that has brought us to where we are today is the "better" outcome.

 

Remember, those of us who were here before either oil or E.E.C. didn't choose to have either, oil arrived and we had to make best of it we could, and despite voting not to join the E.E.C.on a local level, we had to go with it because the majority of the rest of the nation did. Its natural IMHO that we who have witnessed the alternate route taken should wonder if its a improvement on what would have occured had we been left alone with what we had.

[peeriebryan]

when the decision was made by councillors/trustees to build the damn thing the financial crisis was already upon us. so yes Njugle I do think they are witless buggers.

You're way off the mark there. The SIC first commissioned research into options for a cinema and/or music venue in 1997. After years of consultation Mareel was entered onto the SIC's capital programme in 2003 and they made a financial commitment in 2004

 

You're also way off on your figures. The total build cost of Mareel will be around £12 million, and more than half of the money has come from sources out with Shetland. The SIC provided a one-off capital payment of £5,190,000 to Mareel and there is no revenue cost to the SIC

 

...I have lived in many parts of the world before choosing to return home...

...we are importing folks to throw our money away to...

It would seem that it's OK for you to travel to wherever you want to make a living, but it's not OK for other people to come to Shetland to make a living, or have an opinion

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Mareel is half built now, there is no turning back.

I sincerely hope it is a profitable success.

To change the subject slightly, what is going on with the north star nowadays?

And will mareel fill the gap left by north star and jubilee in being the new seedy nightclub where people can get completely off their trollies till 3.00 - 4.00 am on friday and saturday nights ?

[skaterboy]

It would seem that it's OK for you to travel to wherever you want to make a living, but it's not OK for other people to come to Shetland to make a living, or have an opinion

 

no problem we folks coming here just them getting public funds for their pet projects.

I worked for private companies who approached me to go and work for them, no public funds involved at all.

When my work was done the companies I worked for were better off financially for me having been there, the same can not be said for some that are coming here.

 

You're way off the mark there. The SIC first commissioned research into options for a cinema and/or music venue in 1997. After years of consultation Mareel was entered onto the SIC's capital programme in 2003 and they made a financial commitment in 2004

 

and it all could have been put to rest last year if the councillors had voted the way their constituents had told them to after several public meetings.

but they didn't so we are saddled with a white elephant that will cost all of us more than we can afford for the benefit of a few.

 

and there is no revenue cost to the SIC

 

and you can tell this from your crystal ball I mean business plan can you. a business plan drawn up by folks that have never run a successful business

[peeriebryan]

the same can not be said for some that are coming here.

Such as?

 

a business plan drawn up by folks that have never run a successful business

 

as I have already said....

 

Bear in mind that the business plan wasn’t just put together by Shetland Arts – there was, as still is, wide consultation and regular reviews. The business models of many other comparable facilities are taken into account, specialist industry consultants are utilised wherever appropriate and the business plan has been closely scrutinised by a range of organisations, particularly the funders, who don't commit to projects without being confident in the figures

 

Local knowledge has been key throughout the planning and development of Mareel and there is ongoing consultation with a range of local stakeholders....

and...

As I said, many Shetland Arts staff have run their own businesses, or have been self employed/freelance

and...

You're asking me to discuss my colleagues private lives and businesses, which I'm not prepared to do. If you want to talk to my colleagues, as ever, feel free to get in touch - 01595 743 843

and...

Skaterboy, pick up the phone and call me if you want to sort this out - 01595 743 843 - lets not waste each others time with this pointless backing and foreing

[WiiMan]

and there is no revenue cost to the SIC

 

.....YET!

 

Keep telling yourself that while you can PB.

[owre-weel]

Like many, I have doubts that Mareel will be able to wash it's face financialy each year, particularly as we head into years of cutbacks, higher taxes etc.

 

However, this project IS going ahead, it's not going to stop now. So perhaps the best way to help ensure some chance of "break even", is to get behind it and support it in any way we can, rather than continue to run it down !!

 

IMHO though, I believe that it will be paramount, that carefull consideration be given the appointment of the manager and staff, as it will take staff will particular skills to ensure that the programming of activities is right, income is generated and expenditure kept to a minumum.

[shetlandpeat]

Ok, Scaterboy, at the moment folk are worried that other folk have nothing to do around town except to drink or procure some sort of chemical high.

There is a trend that has happened throughout the UK that social networks and building projects have stopped. Social equilibrium does not make a profit per say, it is measured on the total cost or benefit to the community.

Folk comming to help other folk to extract their vision at a fee is the normal. You cannot have a capitolistic attitude with social and community projects. You will find this out with the axe the new government are wielding, punishing us for excluding them. Even though studies are now comming to fruition that have declared theat the already existing plan would have eventually worked good.

The thing is, you have a choice to live some where else or vote some other folk in who will pander to your fears and inacuracies and paranoia that everything the council do will fail. Remember that you had a say in this process. And if you did not get your way then it means the majority got their way.

Oh, congratulations on enhancing so many companies.

I can only assume you have had access to all the relative documents regarding these projects and have attended or read the minutes of all the meetings.

I am sure we would like to see how you came to this conclusion and the evidence to prove it. So then we all can pull your figures about to see if your model stands.

 

I await your figures my friend...as do we all

[TeeAyBee]

and there is no revenue cost to the SIC

 

.....YET!

 

Keep telling yourself that while you can PB.

 

We've missed you WiiMan, where've you been?

[lerwick]

If the alcohol is as expensive as the bar on the pier last weekend 2 pound a nip thats one hundred and twenty pounds for a 1.5 it wil make a fortune .

[Guest Raven007]

Whens the Mareel due to open ? And will it become a hall for Up Helly A ?