Mareel - Cinema & Music Venue

[Baron Farkoff]

So what the complainers are now saying, in essence is:Although we are members of the council, we don't believe in our council and so we are attempting to go over our own head and the head of the council to get our own way. If these tactics were employed in a normal business, then these people would be sacked. Simple.

Jonathan Wills is wrong when he says that Shetland couldn't support a venue of this size, and again I question his credentials as to how he might know this; indeed at the council meeting all he seemed to want to talk about artists and writers, and the fact that he himself was an author. He did seem to enjoy waffling on about himself and wasting time, however.

Also the fact that the complaint is anonymous speaks volumes about the shady way these old-timers do business: this s**t might have worked on Chris Hodge, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let it intimidate the fine folk who have put so much into making this work ,at this stage of the game.

I see you and your game, kiddies, why don't you stand up and set out your credentials of expertise in this matter. As far as I can see you know very little outside of your own interests, and less about relevant events in the entertainment industry.

Just because you were voted in as councillors does't mean that you now have some kind of superior knowledge about all things, Childish cowardly dirty "fighters" that you are.

Yes, I am riled, but only because I am embarrassed to be represented by these small minded bigots who seem intent on making Shetland look like a backward joke of a community in the eyes of the wider world.

Save your outrageous tactics for some thing that could be harmful to your community, not some thing that will be brilliant.

Also remember that we are professionals in a growing industry, and you are not.

[Claudias]

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You are a professional what? Prat?

[Baron Farkoff]

Glad to have struck a nerve.

[Baron Farkoff]

My credentials are not in question, those of the people who have decided that they are capable of making decisions against the will of the establishment of which they are members ARE.

And no, I'm not a professional prat, just an amateur.

I have been, however, a professional in the entertainment industry for a very long time.And you are...?

[Infiltrator]

Needs lightening up a bit this thread - at least some folk will appreciate this. Not the councils first and certainly not their last..

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/scoobydoo99/white-elephant.jpg

[WiiMan]

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Nice one infiltrator!

 

My credentials are not in question, those of the people who have decided that they are capable of making decisions against the will of the establishment of which they are members ARE.

And no, I'm not a professional prat, just an amateur.

 

Glad you can finally admit you're just an amateur prat!

 

As stupid as some of our Town Hall incumbents may be, I don't think any of them are to blame for this latest turn of bad luck for Mareel. It's almost certain to be someone in the licensed trade. But perhaps decisions need to be taken against the establishment. Thinking.... Smyril Line....Bressa Brig, our convenor was up to his neck in those as well.

[Baron Farkoff]

Sorry, but I disagree: this issue is something I feel extremely passionate about and I will not lighten up on it until satisfaction has been achieved.

I also feel that the oft-bandied "white elephant" shtick is incorrect, especially the "poor returns" bit: as I have said before, the money is in live performance nowadays.

With less emphasis on the physical artifacts of recorded music, these items are being used as loss leaders to get people to buy tickets for a collective experience, where they are more likely to buy merchandise.

Currently Shetland has no such place to hold such an event, and so makes no money that way.

Now compare this with a very expensive new toilet block in a place which already has an adequate facility, and will make no money yet require constant upkeep. Which would you say was more of a white elephant in this case? I would suggest the china one which is designed to put spent pennies down the drain, as opposed to the one which has jumped through more financial scrutiny hoops than a seaworld dolphin.

[Baron Farkoff]

Who makes the snowballs, and who throws them?

[Infiltrator]

Who makes the snowballs, and who throws them?

 

Pardon?, you're taking this arty lark too seriously

 

But as you asked..

 

In Mareels case - the snowballs are made by a south building firm and thrown by a group of folk all wearing blinkers, most of them miss their intended targets, the folk get fed up, go home and the game is over.

[Spinner72]

^s stupid as some of our Town Hall incumbents may be, I don't think any of them are to blame for this latest turn of bad luck for Mareel. It's almost certain to be someone in the licensed trade. But perhaps decisions need to be taken against the establishment. Thinking.... Smyril Line....Bressa Brig, our convenor was up to his neck in those as well.

 

Just to clarify, my mentioning a few posts back wasn't hinting at any council members being resposable for the complaint in question, it was more the shock at a council member openly displaying a view contrary to that decided upon.

 

Certainly the establishment should be up for criticism, but becoming a councillor is just like any other job, personal opinions have to be left at the door and decisions supported whether you like them or not.

 

Taking a leaf from their own book, if said coucillors had "done thier job properly" they would have won, wouldn't they

 

Actually, i think there is a valid point hidden here somewhere. So many people have become so accustomed to everything and anything the council invests in becoming a white elephant, so they just assume Mareel will be the same, without taking the time to apply some simple common sense.

 

As for a complaint coming from a member of the liscencing trade, possible i suppose, but obviously not from any of those in lerwick, unless they are trying to turn away a surge of regular customers!

[Baron Farkoff]

I didn't realise this was a game. i thought you were all getting excited because this is real money we're dealing with here.

Home to where?

Mareel is a Shetland idea being worked on by inhabitants of Shetland.

Who are the people wearing blinkers, out of interest? Who is it who will get fed up? With what? Apart from me having to engage with your non arguments.

Oh, and the arts are not a "lark"- they are a growing sector of the economy worth twenty five million pounds annually to the Shetland economy.

[sheepshagger]

the money's in live performance eh?

 

only if the venue is large enough to sell enough tickets to cover costs, 750 half the size of the clickimin and every band brought up from south to perform there had to be subsidised. so evey band coming up to play at mareel will have to subsidised twice as much and only half the folk will benefit.

 

All inclusive and self funding my ass

[Medziotojas]

That old chestnut again. You perhaps need to read through this thread one more time.

 

As has been mentioned many times before, the running costs of the Clickimin make it financially unviable; and that's before taking into consideration PA hire, lighting, stewards, etc. The Mareel will of course have all the necessary resources for musicians readily available.

[WiiMan]

That old chestnut again. You perhaps need to read through this thread one more time.

 

As has been mentioned many times before, the running costs of the Clickimin make it financially unviable; and that's before taking into consideration PA hire, lighting, stewards, etc. The Mareel will of course have all the necessary resources for musicians readily available.

 

Of course buying equipment will be much cheaper than hiring and Mareel won't bother to hire stewards? Silly argument.

[Baron Farkoff]

Eh?