tlady Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 In theory I am a supporter but .. One of the problems I still have is.. If Clickimin is too expensive WHY would the Mareel be cheaper? The same amount of staff will be required, at the same rate of pay (if not more because of the new regulations) So how can the hire charges be reduced? without making a loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Farkoff Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Good point, T Lady. Mareel would be cheaper because it would be set up and ready to go, whereas the Clickimin requires quite an extensive makeover to transform into a music venue and back again, which costs a lot of money, and takes a lot of time and manpower There is quite a lot of equipment required, and you still can't dance on the sports hall floor without damaging it. It isn't built for quick get ins and outs, and if there is a sport event on, which is likely as it is Shetlands' flagship sports venue, then you can't have a music event.Sure, you can transform any space into a venue, but why should one have to, when Shetland is known far more for its music than its sporting heroes?(no offence to my sporty pals, who are great) Shetland has no music venue, and it needs one. People have worked for years and years to make sure it gets one, and this will be it. I'm sure that the structure of its running will be flexible, which it will need to be, same as any other venture wishing to survive and profit these days, and that may serve it well. No one can see the future, but a Shetland without a music venue is not a future I wish to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlady Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 But how can the profit margin be greater at the Mareel than if it was at Clickimin. doesn't the Mareel have a smaller capacity? The gamble of holding a music event is huge. and there's no accounting for what folk will attend... one week a band will pack in the audience.. next time the same band will command an audience of half a dozen, that's the lucky dip of live music, and that's why most private venues don't hire regular live music any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Farkoff Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I really don't know about profit margins, all I know is I want a decent music venue to liven this place up a bit, because it can get a bit bleak up here without one. It does cost loads and loads of money for the sports hall transformation however, and over time, that's got to save money, no?Plus, lots of private venues do book live acts. Shetland doesn't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Plus, lots of private venues do book live acts. Shetland doesn't have any. Whether you mean Shetland has no private venues, or no live acts, it matters none. I hope you've donned your tin hat and bullet proof vest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Farkoff Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Sorry Ghostrider, I'm a bit slow-could you explain why it doesn't matter that Shetland doesn't have those things? It would have loads of live acts if there was an outlet for them, I'm sure.Sorry, I get what you mean now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 The more I read on this thread, the less I think Shetland deserves Mareel....all musicians, artists, film-makers, all those who have worked thier butts off to raise the money for this (new money for Shetland - more than we have contributed ourselves), who have carefully and politely tried to explain why this matters, all who bite their tongues, all young people who want to work in the creative industries, all small digital media businesses - just leave now and go where you can grow and contribute to a forward thinking community that gets it and will reap the creative, educational and economic benefits. Oh, if only the constructive, passionate critisms had been raised when they could have made a difference. Maybe there should just be a mass exodus of all creative blood. Honestly-why bother? I don't think we are wanted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Yes, infact it is an ingenious plan - we can save Shetland from financial ruin... let's just all leave. Any creative body - get a one-way ticket (low season on Northlink and all) and go. We are a financial drain, a costly luxury, an unnecessary expenditure. There is a credit crunch and we are not cost effective. Can the last arty farty person to depart via the sooth mooth turn off the amp and the projector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Just imagine it, Willie Nelson wants to come and play Shetland (and you'd have to imagine it, because there's nowhere for him to play) and it might cost a bit.Excellent use of an entertainers name to destroy your arguments Baron. You happened to pick perhaps the most obvious entertainer who would have no problem with any of the existing venues in Shetland, apart from size. Although, if the weather was right, Willie Nelson & Family love outdoor venues.What the council would have to do with it is beyond me, other than there was a democratic decision to build a venue. They'd have nothing to do with it, apart from owning a venue which would be completely unsuitable for Willie Nelson & Family. Particularly in terms of size.If Mr. Nelson were to come here I've no doubt ticket prices would be steep, but I've also no doubt that an enthusiast of the mans music would pay it.Yes, prices would be in line with most decent sized acts, at a venue of a decent size. But with a venue the size of Mareel, prices would have to be astronomical, so no, this enthusiast wouldn't pay for a ticket there.,,, because there's more involved than just slinging your guitars on a plane at the moment. Willie Nelson & Family only use their own equipment, so tour buses on Northlink would be the obvious method of travel. So, my dear Barron, try picking another entertainer to enhance your arguments. You missed the mark by a 'Country Mile' this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatal Paper Cut Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Ramsie - you've left your "Pointless Pedantry" plug in enabled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khitajrah Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 There's also that whole "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" thing. How does Mareel intend on attracting that large chunk of folk who would rather it failed to prove their point (that the council is ineffective, etc, or whatever the point is) and go "I told you so" and so never darken the doors of the place (that is, if they ever stop their humming and hawing and attempts at delaying it so it doesn't get built in the first place). I reckon there is a lot of potential for a lot of things up here but folk are just set in their ways and would rather criticise and moan about change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 ^^ The point I was trying to make was that there is no sense of the Baron using an artist, as an example, when the facility would be of no use to that artist. Or any other artist likely to draw a decent crowd. Surely the 'pro mareel' camp can come up with some more sensible argument. The place will never be any use for attracting artists who will have a big audience. It is aimed purely at small audiences, obviously for a specific sector of performers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infiltrator Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 The more I read on this thread, the less I think Shetland deserves Mareel....all musicians, artists, film-makers, all those who have worked thier butts off to raise the money for this (new money for Shetland - more than we have contributed ourselves) Mareel is being funded 100% from public money, I'd have been much happier with supporting the project if some of the funding was being sought from the private sector and the main supporters were carrying some of the risk.If it's as profitable as has been forecast then I'm surprised the private sector weren't beating a path to the North Ness to throw funding at the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiiMan Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 3) Will the council have to chip in to help cover their costs 3) Please. Puh-leeeease. I think you could call that a great big Yes Puh-leeeease. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlady Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Plus, lots of private venues do book live acts. Shetland doesn't have any. Private venues = all the halls pubs and clubs that have taken the risk with their own money to hire live music. I am still very concerned (although noone else seems bothered) about the new alcohol licence for the Mareel, by law it just won't get one. It's right next door to the Museums cafe/bar and this will mean that there would be an overprovision in the area, so as it's a new licence it must be refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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