Guest Anonymous Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 what keep the money here when it could be better spent with some muppet down the road now what would be the point in that? remember gg is going to looking for work down the road soon and he should grease as many palms as possible with our cash to aid him in that search.not saying that is what is happening but it could certainly be interpreted that when there was no tendering process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 What was the excuse? I didnt hear it but I am far more concerned about something that could have been done locally being given to an outside firm than the early release of pre-approved funds. Tricky one - if it was a tender and local firms did apply and the sooth one won it is presumably because they were just the best fit for the job - or should it be positive discrimination? Like all female shortlists? Museum PR/ branding was mostly marketing and design firms that were not Shetland based - they just wanted the best for the job and tendered on an even playing field and those were the ones that won. Re. funds up front - far as I understand - it is just having the money that was agreed for the stuff that was agreed. They are ready to put the stock in now so want to get on with it and get the doors open....Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Could this be the root of Shetland Arts aparent cash flow difficulties? This is where other long term benefits for Shetland would come in. IF the film is as successful as Brown believes it can be then the profits made will come back to Shetland Arts as part owners of the film, and in turn be invested into future intellectual property like other films, TV production and music and literature in return for a percentage of their IP. Oh you are a one WiiMan, you cheeky little rabble rouser you - it's not SA money, they are fundraising for the film and doing so in a way that means they have part ownership so profits comes back here (eh... and is an income stream for Mareel - snacks alone ain't gonna cut it after all, as has been said) rather than just lining the pockets of Hollywood studios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 What was the excuse? I didnt hear it but I am far more concerned about something that could have been done locally being given to an outside firm than the early release of pre-approved funds. I guess that the other issue is that a whack of Mareel is being paid for by funding bodies/ tax payers that are not in Shetland - so they gotta get a fair crack of the whip south when there are jobs/ tenders up for grabs? Also, it would likley be hugely illegal not to put it out to national tender, again as a heap of it is being paid for nationally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Well, did anybody else hear Radio Shetland last night?. They were interviewing Mr Gibbons from Shetland Arts about why Mareel needs £30,000 of an SIC £100,000 grant brought forward asap to "help" with basically the pre-opening "promotion" side of it. Setting aside the waffley excuse why they'd given the PR work to a company in London, What was the excuse? I didnt hear it but I am far more concerned about something that could have been done locally being given to an outside firm than the early release of pre-approved funds. To be honest what he gave was just your average politician's answer i.e it was just waffle. But in among it all was something about getting the best promotion and brand for Mareel etc. What was also mentioned is that it's sometimes better to get an outside perspective on something but this to me is twaddle. What a company in London can know about Shetland's culture and heritage is beyond me. Can you imagine a project in London asking a Shetland company to do their promotion?. It reminds me of when the SIC asked that company in London to devise a logo for "Shetland the Brand" and what they came back with was the handle of a fiddle and all for £50,000. I don't think it was a tender process but rather that they just chose the company they wanted. IMHO it was a bad mistake and will only serve to alienate even more the folk who were aginst this from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiiMan Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Thats why they need to broker a deal with this windfarm group and get them to put a percentage of thier profits into Mareel every year and hey presto we will have a cracking venue that will have no need for more funding or bail outs ! Or alternatively, join the rest of us in the real world and try to live within their means. I personally loathe all the money spent on sport in Shetland but I equally feel that the income figures etc for Mareel just don't add up. YUP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Not quite London, but some Shetlanders try to have a positive outlook... http://www.nbcommunication.com/portfolio These sorts of things happen everywhere, folk try to squeeze budgets to get funding and once a project is well under way may ask for some top ups. Perhaps you know of companies suitable for the job, I would like to know, it would be interesting how advanced the economy has grown in that respect. It seems now the islands cannot live on wool and nostalgia alone. It would be nice to see a successful local company make it big south. Hmmm, budgets, folk make em up, they only exist if you make them so.If every one lived within their budgets I wonder how much less cash would have been spent by the gullible tourist if they did not use credit cards or loans. I look forward to seeing a whole load of independents on the ballot sheet next time there is a vote. Try and use some of the homegrown talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 ^Appropriately enough:Shetland Arts website footerCopyright © 2009 Shetland Arts Development Agency. All rights reserved. Web design and development by NB Communication Ltd What was the excuse? I didnt hear it but I am far more concerned about something that could have been done locally being given to an outside firm than the early release of pre-approved funds. Touch of cross-threading here but ah well: http://www.shetlink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=163417#163417 ^ It seems like a good thing that Jono has been at the heart of all this. When these questions arise, as they have before, my initial urge is to similarly question why local firms couldn't be engaged to do national and international branding and marketing on this level, and then I try and list the firms......erm Shaw Marketing? I'd guess that if it were purely about a logo, Jono could have done that, and maybe he did, GG states in the linked post above that the sooth firm were used for their contacts, one of those intangible aspects that are both hard to question and hard to do without for anything attempting to be wide ranging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Pondering, what Thread to use and so Mareel got selected. Let's build the Windfarm and blow all the hot-air ramblings about Mareel right out of sight - it's so boring now.Finish building it and then start enjoying it.Forget the Budget - I don't think it was ever meant to balance in the first place.Once the farm is in operation, we should crucify quite a lot of these present Councillors to the 'whirlie things' (shades of the Appian Way outside Rome) for their utterly abysmal performance over the last few years, in pushing Shetland into disrepute and ridicule.Their punishment will be to continue going round and round, just like they have been doing for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 ^^ The more I read that, the better it gets. (I still personally think Mareel is a worthwhile investment when *everything* it means to the shetland economy is considered, not just whatever it's bottom line is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 how about all the suporters of mareel make a one of loan to it to be repaid when it makes a profit. 0% interest of course after all it is them that want it. maybe gibbons and peerie brian could start the ball rolling with a loan from their not inconsiderable salaries, say a couple of grand each of them after all it is such a sure fire thing they will get their money back no worries. so come on guys what do you say is this not a good idea or what. You have been vocal on here and elsewhere about how much money it is going to make so put up or shut up as the saying goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Whit's da udal law spin on dis wan, Hog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Whit's da udal law spin on dis wan, Hog? Well, they're building it in the ebb... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 how about all the suporters of mareel make a one of loan to it to be repaid when it makes a profit. 0% interest of course after all it is them that want it. maybe gibbons and peerie brian could start the ball rolling with a loan from their not inconsiderable salaries, say a couple of grand each of them after all it is such a sure fire thing they will get their money back no worries. so come on guys what do you say is this not a good idea or what. You have been vocal on here and elsewhere about how much money it is going to make so put up or shut up as the saying goes.Mareel will earn it's money from me at least through cinema tickets and gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Mareel will earn it's money from me at least through cinema tickets and gigs. should read Mareel will earn some money from me at least through cinema tickets and gigs. my point being that they are so sure it is going to be a financial success that they should have no worries lending it the money to be repaid when it makes the profit they are so sure of and not before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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