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ah peat we are at loggerheads again suprise suprise.

the point being made here is not that mareel will be a good thing for the community or not but the fact that it was put forward with a business plan claiming it would make money

It is plain for even the least business minded soul that it will never turn a profit, maybe in the first few months while it is new and exciting it will show a profit on paper at least but after that it will need a very large subsidy just to keep the lights on.

To compare it to childrens playparks is showing that you really have no grasp on reality, apart from grasscutting and the odd lick of paint playparks cost very little yet fullfill a need in society for somewhere safe for young bairns to play.

As has been stated on here time and time again mareel does nothing that could not allready be done in Shetland without the cost to the public that mareel will surely be.

high quality musicians we have, venues for them to play to the Shetland public we have, and they are subsidised so now we will have to subsidise the local halls even more as the income they would of recieved from visiting bands will now go to mareel.

I would say that mareel may even be the death of the village hall in Shetland as the income source dries up.

But when the halls start closing their doors for the last time will that effect you down in preston NO IT BLOODY WELL WONT but why should you care about that, will it effect Gwilym NO, he will be off down the road looking for the next bunch of mugs to finance his daydreams, will it affect peerie brian maybe if he still has a band that wants to play gigs in Shetland outside of lerwick,

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Supporters have not been asked for direct personal financial contributions to Mareel (although donations are gratefully accepted :wink: ) as all that anyone has to do to support Mareel is make use of it when it opens (detractors included!)

 

And I'm not aware of the idea being voiced recently other than some suggestions at the recent Charitable Trust meeting, and a couple of anonymous posts here on Shetlink (and forgive me if I don't pay much attention to anonymous personal attacks from a tedious axe grinding troll)

 

For the record, I contribute considerable amounts of my own time to Mareel and I'll be donating instruments and equipment when it opens (and I know others who are planning to do the same). Beyond that, I won't be discussing my financial circumstances or what charities I donate money to

 

http://shetland-news.co.uk/2010/November/news/Mixed%20messages%20as%20Mareel%20denied%20advance.htm[/url]"]Instead Gary Robinson moved that the trust stand by its commitment to underwrite a deficit of up to £100,000 in the first year of operation.

Essentially, the financial situation hasn't changed recently other than a clarification of when the Charitable Trust will make the funds available

 

With only a few months until it opens, it's a shame to see that it's failing to find support from its most ardent fans.

I wouldn't say that was the case - there's a lot of people putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. And I wouldn't use Shetlink as a judge of support as many people I know have been put off discussing Mareel here due to the recent tone of this thread caused by the abusive and personal postings of a certain user

 

we will have to subsidise the local halls even more as the income they would of recieved from visiting bands will now go to mareel.

I would say that mareel may even be the death of the village hall in Shetland as the income source dries up.

What evidence do you have of that? Did the local halls require increased subsidy or die out when the North Star, LK Sound Factory, Norscot Angling Club, Moonie's Wake and Somewhere Else were all putting on regular music events in town?

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What evidence do you have of that? Did the local halls require increased subsidy or die out when the North Star, LK Sound Factory, Norscot Angling Club, Moonie's Wake and Somewhere Else were all putting on regular music events in town?

as all these venues were funded privately it is not for me to comment on, and yes local halls have had to go looking for more subsidy due to a lack of nights that make them money.

get on the CT website and look at the funding the halls have recieved, they have been doing better recently due to the fact that North Star, LK Sound Factory, Moonie's Wake and Somewhere Else are no longer on the go but your idea is that mareel will provide a place for all the people of Shetland to go and spend their money so if this is the case then the halls will have even less customers than they do now, its not rocket science brian just common sense

 

tedious axe grinding troll

 

a yes personal insults just the thing you accuse me of :roll:

 

as many people I know have been put off discussing Mareel here due to the recent tone of this thread caused by the abusive and personal postings of a certain user

 

ah so the people you know will only discuss something with people that agree with them very enlightened Im sure

 

And I wouldn't use Shetlink as a judge of support

 

but when the thing you want is generly supported on Shetlink then you do use it as a guage of public opinion, being selective in your choice of when and when not to use Shetlink as a guide does you no favours brian.

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As has been stated on here time and time again mareel does nothing that could not allready be done in Shetland without the cost to the public that mareel will surely be.

 

high quality musicians we have, venues for them to play to the Shetland public we have, and they are subsidised so now we will have to subsidise the local halls even more as the income they would of recieved from visiting bands will now go to mareel.

I would say that mareel may even be the death of the village hall in Shetland as the income source dries up.

 

Yes, you can already do many of the things Mareel will do in Shetland. And all in considerably less than state of the art quality.

 

And no, Mareel will not mean that bands will never play in local halls ever again. But they could also play a gig in Mareel, record it live for CD, film it for DVD or broadcast it live to a TV channel via the internet.

 

Or how about using those state of the art music facilities in conjunction with Shetland College so our young folk can continue to learn music beyond 6th Year and within Shetland, rather than the mainland as at present?

 

And of course, you'll be able to watch the latest movies at the time of their release on a superb quality screen with proper surround sound and comfortable seating. Quite possibly for less than the price of a cinema ticket south, thanks to the cost savings of distributing films via the internet instead of shipping reels of celluloid everywhere.

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Of course, if folk continually put it down without knowing all the facts, the fact that it is there to be used it will be up to folk to use it, as with any venture.

 

 

 

the point being made here is not that mareel will be a good thing for the community or not but the fact that it was put forward with a business plan claiming it would make money

It is plain for even the least business minded soul that it will never turn a profit

 

Where is your business plan that sez it wont.

 

And the fact you think that playparks are so cheap. The one on Twageos Road cost allot to install and now it has been upgraded again.

Safe play apparatus is not cheap. Take a look

 

http://www.pentagonsport.co.uk/home

 

 

 

I do wonder still if you are just looking for a reaction rather than constructive discussion.

 

Easy to gripe, to accuse without foundation.

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I don't think that Mareel will effect the country Halls too much, it might even help them as it will be more viable for promoters to bring up bands from south if they can have a Friday night in Mareel for over 18's and a Saturday night for the under 18's.

 

In saying that though, disco's and bands at any of the country halls might be a thing of the past if the Police and the Licensing Board have their way. Its getting harder and harder to keep in their good graces due to the hoops that they are making the committees jump through to put on a night for the under 18's.

 

The way things are going, nights in the Halls will either end up 18+ or under 18 with no bar, as it is getting to the stage where it is just not worth the hassle putting nights on any more.

 

 

But back on topic, I have my doubts that Mareel will be financially self sufficient at first, mainly due to the initial set up costs, but I think it has a fair chance of paying its way if it is run properly.

 

I will be a willing customer if they are putting on a band or a film that I want to see.

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It seems very backward thinking to wish financial failure on a building costing over £12m a lot of which came out of the public purse, does it occur to anyone who would take glee in such a thing that by actively opposing it and encouraging people to boycott it that they are just going force the local authority to assist in funding more than they maybe should be. The ship has sailed there is little point in complaining anymore that it's a waste of money it's going to be finished in a few month and it's better it gets opened and has a chance to make some cash than have it halted now to keep some naysayers happy. It's not being funded correctly wholeheartedly agree but I'm not petty enough that I wouldn't use it if it is there to be used. Who knows it might make money it's not impossible.

 

tedious axe grinding troll

 

a yes personal insults just the thing you accuse me of :roll:

 

Massive difference between what you have been saying and that which was said to you, your insults have been directly to peoples actual names and not a posting identity, someone called bobdahog a troll if you take that as a personal insult pause for thought next time you have a dig at others.

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To compare it to childrens playparks is showing that you really have no grasp on reality, apart from grasscutting and the odd lick of paint playparks cost very little yet fullfill a need in society for somewhere safe for young bairns to play.

 

Oh BDH, please ! Have you any idea of the true costs of running our playparks? I think you might be surprised at the actual cost.

 

As I have said before, I'm yet to be convinced that the Mareel will wash it's face. However the main difference between us, is that I hope that they prove me wrong, whilst you come across as if you wish it to fail.

 

We have a superb facility nearing completion, which will hopefully put on a vast range of interesting activities encouraging us all to attend on a regular basis, and therefore wash it's face. If it dosn't, then it won't be the first public facility to need some support, and I for one would rather see my money supporting a public faciltiy which all can use, as against the many millions lost in stupid ventures so far.

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It seems very backward thinking to wish financial failure on a building costing over £12m a lot of which came out of the public purse, does it occur to anyone who would take glee in such a thing that by actively opposing it and encouraging people to boycott it

where have i said I hope it fails and where have i said people should boycott it, it seems your are reading things in my posts that are not there.

What I have said is it is my opinion that it will be a financial failure and it will need subsidy, I have also encouraged those that were and are so voiciferous about what a success it is going to be to put their money where there mouth is and put up the £30,000 in the form of a no risk (in their opinion not mine) loan to be paid back when it makes the profit that they have told us it is going to make.

Brian replied that it was none of my business where or to what charities he gives his money.

But he does consider it his business which charities we give our money to :wink:

I hope it is a success but fear it will not be and that it will have an impact on the local halls.

If a band are going to come up here to play to a 1000 folk why will they do it over 2 nights 1 at mareel and 1 at a hall when it could be done on 1 night at the clickimin that is 1 more nights hotel bills and one more night that they are unable to play larger more lucrative venues down the road.

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where have i said I hope it fails and where have i said people should boycott it, it seems your are reading things in my posts that are not there.

 

With regards that section of my post where did it say I was talking directly to you? :wink:

 

But yes you can read from your posts that you can't be wishing any kind of success on the project or you wouldn't talk in such definite terms of the failure you have foreseen. So if you aren't wishing success are you hoping for mediocre performance, break even, total abject failure?.

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no peat those we voted in as a community were split 50/50 the planning went through on the nod from sandy clueless, which as chairman he should have voted for the status quo and rejected the planning application, look up the statute on planning boards for reference to this.

at least on councilor voted contrary to the wishes of her constituants if she had followed the wishes of the folks that voted for her she would of voted against it.

 

Oh dear, Drivel is still at it.

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