Mareel - Cinema & Music Venue

[shetlandpeat]

 

Err where precisely have you heard me sing? I sold the sax.

 

 

 

I used to play the trumpet, I gave it away to someone in Shetland who could make better use of it than I could. You give these things a go though.

[unlinkedstudent]

Nope.

 

Edit: Oh sugar, SP, I just remembered!!! Never had you down as being a fan of bingoradio.com or gamevillage ROFL!!!!!

[shetlandpeat]

I dont think it will be able to meet its running costs, which is a shame, its somthing that should have been built ages ago when all the leisure centres were built and there was plenty of money.

 

As in a lack of money in the community?

 

There are grants available for many projects within the arts. With a well designed establishment that could cater for many forms of media instruction, the money would also come from other learning establishments as well as SGOV/GOV/EUGOV as well as enhancing the music and media at schools. It will not just rely on gate receipts or bar tabs.

[HatMan]

Mareel building's a handy location for new school. Wonder how many class rooms they could cram in to it?

[ArabiaTerra]

Edit: Irrelevant post removed.

[Fatal Paper Cut]

 

thats right the same muppets that brought us mareel have spent millions on a school with nothing being built

Oh but thats right if it was at the school then every one working there would need a police records check that was the excuse made when it was brought up before, but seemingly they can work with kids at mareel without a police records check amazing that.

 

I see a fine example of a minority shouting loud enough till they get what they want and damn everyone else, a bit like the wind farm.

 

To equip the school to the same extent as a purpose built building would most likely have been completely cost ineffective, to say nothing of the disruption to pupils, who after all, are the sector the school serves - not paying adults. Had that happened, doubtless you would be complaining about that instead.

 

As I understand it (from attending various stakeholders meetings over the last few years) the plan for educational provision at Mareel is for higher education, to be tied in with Shetland College/UHI. Not children. So yes, had Jonathan Will's completely unfeasible suggestion to incorporate the recording facilities at the AHS gone ahead, you could well have had a situation where adult learners coming into contact with children would have to be 'police checked'.

[peeriebryan]

I'm somewhat taken aback with your comment re your sound technicians controlling the volume - is it not the case that bands usually have their own sound (wo)man?

Some do, some don't. But it's standard practice for visiting sound engineers to work in conjunction with an in-house engineer who is familiar with the rig.

 

As for tickets same artist 2 years apart no bother getting tickets when he promoted himself (I wonder why he did that) no chance when promoted by Shetland arts. maybe he's just not that popular now.

Which artist are you talking about? As I've already said, Shetland Arts doesn't sell tickets, tickets are sold through the Shetland Box Office - a service used by many other local groups, festivals and promoters. You've made several similar inferences in this and another thread, I've asked you what your problem seems to be and you haven't given a straight answer. So, again, what's the issue with Shetland Arts and ticketing? Lets get to the bottom of it we can sort out any problem.

 

But bryan we are going to have to agree to disagree and whether you like it or not you will be buying me a pint with your redundancy when mareel goes to the council with the begging bowl.

I won't be agreeing with points which are factually wrong. And don't hold your breath waiting for me to buy you a pint. It's bad craic that you've chosen to take the discussion to a personal level from behind your anonymous username (including insinuations about the integrity of me and my colleagues, insults, wishing us to loose our jobs, judgements on my personality and musical ability (even though complimentary!), misrepresenting my posts here....). I'm happy to discuss Mareel with anyone and I spend a lot of my free time doing so, but it's pretty poor show to be getting personal and I kindly request that you stick to the facts.

 

Apologies if you've answered this before Bryan, but are there any thoughts of having an "unlimited" card for the cinema?

Yes, there will be.

 

If/when Mareel goes ahead, why don't they incorporate free 'jam' sessions for youngsters at weekends, with volunteers guiding and tutoring them. This could show Mareel's commitment to the young musicians and entertainers, connect with the community and possibly appear less elitist.

There will be plenty of activities like the ones you mentioned keetiebairdie - getting the young folk involved is at the top of the list!

 

Mareel might very well mean the death of this rich musical heritage and make our musical culture just as bland as any big metropolis.

I think you'll have to explain your point as you've lost me. A building with a concert hall, recording studio, rehearsal areas and a range of music education spaces destroying our musical heritage?? And do you really believe that all big cities have bland musical cultures?!

 

Funny thing is I have discussed this topic with a fair few local musicians and only 2 have said mareel is a good idea, so just who the hell are we building it for.

I speak to a lot of musicians and concert audiences in my line of work and it seems to me that the majority are in favour, but some are indeed sceptical. I haven't met many younger musicians and audience members at youth gigs who aren't in favour so I guess it depends on who you talk to.

 

As I mentioned before, many of the people I speak to who are against Mareel have based their opinion on false information and inaccurate rumours. I'm by no means saying everybody should be in favour - I completely understand the point of view of many detractors - but I think it's a real shame that there's so much misinformation and doom-mongering doing the rounds.

 

Oh but thats right if it was at the school then every one working there would need a police records check that was the excuse made when it was brought up before, but seemingly they can work with kids at mareel without a police records check amazing that.

Do you have a reference for that claim Dratsy as I'm not sure what your point is? Do you mean the Protecting Vulnerable Groups scheme / Disclosure check?

 

A lot of consideration went into the possibility of combining Mareel's facilities into the school but ultimately it was decided the cons out-numbered the pros - some of the reasoning was outlined by Fatal Paper Cut above ^

 

As a general point on the educational aspects of Mareel, the facilities are geared up for FE/HE education, industry certified training, creative industry apprenticeships, introductory courses etc. Just because a building has educational aspects doesn't mean it should be part of a school. And there's a difference between schools and colleges for good reason. For example, the main recording studio is of a professional standard and equipped with a Pro Tools HD system and high end microphones beyond the requirements of day-to-day secondary educational needs (and there will be a high enough demand from other users anyway). Most schools have basic recording facilities and Mareel will be a step up for pupils who wish to take modules specialising music technology (such as the Vocational Pathways programme) or progress to higher education.

 

Mareel will be hosting several courses including an NC Music and HNC Music in partnership with Shetland College UHI (with a degree level course in the pipeline), a range of evening classes in partnership with SIC Adult Learning and industry certified training in partnership with companies including Avid, manufacturers of the Pro Tools music production system. There will also be a range of more informal courses and activities so hopefully there will be something to suit most folk with an interest in music

 

Education is intrinsic to the operation of Mareel and will give students the opportunity of learning in a 'real world' working venue - that is one of the most important aspects of the building.

[Fatal Paper Cut]

As a general point on the educational aspects of Mareel, the facilities are geared up for FE/HE education, industry certified training, creative industry apprenticeships, introductory courses etc. Just because a building has educational aspects doesn't mean it should be part of a school. And there's a difference between schools and colleges for good reason. For example, the main recording studio is of a professional standard and equipped with a Pro Tools HD system and high end microphones beyond the requirements of day-to-day secondary educational needs (and there will be a high enough demand from other users anyway). Most schools have basic recording facilities and Mareel will be a step up for pupils who wish to take modules specialising music technology (such as the Vocational Pathways programme) or progress to higher education.

 

Mareel will be hosting several courses including an NC Music and HNC Music in partnership with Shetland College UHI (with a degree level course in the pipeline), a range of evening classes in partnership with SIC Adult Learning and industry certified training in partnership with companies including Avid, manufacturers of the Pro Tools music production system. There will also be a range of more informal courses and activities so hopefully there will be something to suit most folk with an interest in music

 

Education is intrinsic to the operation of Mareel and will give students the opportunity of learning in a 'real world' working venue - that is one of the most important aspects of the building.

 

Exactly. For these reasons alone, anyone who cares about Shetland's music heritage should be champing at the bit for Mareel to be up and running and for our musicians and young folk to make full use of it's facilities.

[Dratsy]

I won't be agreeing with points which are factually wrong. And don't hold your breath waiting for me to buy you a pint. It's bad craic that you've chosen to take the discussion to a personal level from behind your anonymous username (including insinuations about the integrity of me and my colleagues, insults, wishing us to loose our jobs, judgements on my personality and musical ability (even though complimentary!), misrepresenting my posts here....). I'm happy to discuss Mareel with anyone and I spend a lot of my free time doing so, but it's pretty poor show to be getting personal and I kindly request that you stick to the facts.

 

I said we would have to agree to disagree

 

I wont hold my breath waiting for anything including you buying a pint

 

I did not say I wished you to lose your job only that I would shed no tears if the arts trust is disbanded.

 

I have never misrepresented any post you have made but certainly disagree with your assumptions on the viability of mareel and the effect it may have on private business if it is ever to make a profit.

but you did say many many pages back that to include the facilities in a new school would mean police checks on everyone using the place.

Somehow Orkney manages to avoid this problem but then Orkadians are not subsidy junkies like the folks at Shetland arts.

they just put a lock on the door leading into the school proper simple and cheap.

 

and if you can't accept a complement that shows I hold no ill will toward you then ???

[unlinkedstudent]

I'm somewhat taken aback with your comment re your sound technicians controlling the volume - is it not the case that bands usually have their own sound (wo)man?

Some do, some don't. But it's standard practice for visiting sound engineers to work in conjunction with an in-house engineer who is familiar with the rig.

 

But is it not true that many of the more well known groups prefer to bring their own rig and amps? Are you saying (As I don't want to assume incorrectly) that this would not be permitted?

 

If I may digress, you suggested I contacted DITT to ascertain the specifics concerning materials. Given the alleged ding dongs between the two parties, I really can't see them divulging such information without the permission of their Employer, namely the owners of the Mareel, as wouldn't they, as Main Contractor, be breaking confidentiality by doing so? If, however, you are prepared to write to DITT and I stating that permission has been granted, I'll happily contact them. I would, however, still like to see the documentation contained within the Appendices and perhaps raise a few queries with DITT relating to the same.

 

I'm not all 'doom and gloom', however. I note with interest that the flooring is Junckers but without knowing all the info, don't know which type. Whilst it is true that Junckers do sell flooring that can limit sound transferrence, I can't help but wonder as to whether or not the flooring continues up the side of the stage and under it. Isn't the insides of the stage somewhat of a void area where noise/vibration could escape from?

 

It is, of course, good news that the Mareel will be running some groups for youngsters and those on courses at the college. However, what were the numbers per class again please?

 

SP mentioned the bridge. Is this walkway bridge going ahead? Is my understanding correct that people arriving in cars will be expected to enter the Mareel via the walkway as opposed to just crossing the car park/road (Forgive me, a while since I've looked at the photographs/illustrations)?

 

Cheers for answering the question regarding the cloakroom - how many coats can it hold?

 

Thanks for answering.

[shetlandpeat]

Some of the bands we have promoted and ones promoted at the local pub, which hosts about 10 or more bands a month have had a choice. Our PA, their PA or Pub PA or a mix. Generally, the axes are on stand alone Marshals and the vocals, any wind instruments and drums over venue PA.

 

For a band to bring PA and stand alones plus bass bins can be a bit too much sometimes.

[Dratsy]

If the more well known groups play at mareel then I guess 600ish capacity is going to struggle to cope with demand.

Bryan Shetland box office sells tickets for various events organised by various promoters but when that promoter is Shetland arts then folks struggle to get tickets, how much plainer language do you need Bryan. any event put on by Shetland arts should be as inclusive as possible of all the folk in Shetland as it is all the folk in Shetland that are subsidising the event and your wages.

And just why did Bill Bailey decide to promote his visit next month himself and cut Shetland arts from the picture, was he unhappy with the way things were handled last time?

[unlinkedstudent]

Some of the bands we have promoted and ones promoted at the local pub, which hosts about 10 or more bands a month have had a choice. Our PA, their PA or Pub PA or a mix. Generally, the axes are on stand alone Marshals and the vocals, any wind instruments and drums over venue PA.

 

For a band to bring PA and stand alones plus bass bins can be a bit too much sometimes.

 

Fair point, SP, and I accept that but many of the larger, well known groups think nothing of hiring Edwin Shirley Trucking (You rock - we roll (Love their motto )) and bringing all their own equipment. I'd love to see their trucks pull up outside the Mareel; granted, they won't half take up a bit of space on the old Northlink heaps but what the hell.

[southham]

"Education is intrinsic to the operation of Mareel and will give students the opportunity of learning in a 'real world' working venue - that is one of the most important aspects of the building."

 

A real world venue with not a single person working in it who has worked in this "real world". Great learning experience eh!!!!

[southham]

If the more well known groups play at mareel then I guess 600ish capacity is going to struggle to cope with demand.

Bryan Shetland box office sells tickets for various events organised by various promoters but when that promoter is Shetland arts then folks struggle to get tickets, how much plainer language do you need Bryan. any event put on by Shetland arts should be as inclusive as possible of all the folk in Shetland as it is all the folk in Shetland that are subsidising the event and your wages.

And just why did Bill Bailey decide to promote his visit next month himself and cut Shetland arts from the picture, was he unhappy with the way things were handled last time?

 

Bill didn't come through Shetland Arts last time either - he (his management) booked the Clickimin and the production side of it themselves.