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@JON: You know perfectly well that I've answered. If you're that bothered, I suggest you go back and read previous posts

 

No I don't know the one you're on about and I'm not that bothered to go and look.

 

For a time the purpose was, hopefully to stimulate debate on potentially problematic aspects of the building from a member of the public's POV, and make Shetland Arts aware of the strength of opinion (or lack thereof) on the issue. While there was still some window of opportunity to make some amendments to things during the build.

 

That's fair enough and I'm sure you understand once the budget has been approved the design has gone through planning and contracts have been signed there is very little you or I could do to make any significant changes.

 

In a nutshell, why waste time and trouble going all the way around the houses phoning Shetland Arts trying to get hold of someone who was in a position that matters, then only be a lone voice crying in the wilderness, when you could raise the issue on one the guys who matters own website, where he could peruse it, and the opinions of others on the same issue, as and when and if he felt like it

 

I think Bryan has proved that when asked a question he has taken the time to answer it where it's possible for him to do so. The problem with airing any kind of concerns on a public forum is that any SA representative gets swamped not just trying to answer your questions but those of other people and answering the total tripe and hearsay that was getting bandied about. Me, personally when I have concerns I go to the relevant person first and if I feel they aren't addressing it I may well go above them. I find a good point can be lost on an internet forum just because of the speed a discussion moves at.

 

That window of opportunity probably more or less closed at the end of 2011, if not before.

 

In all honesty it closed when the costs were agreed and the contracts signed. The contingency for Mareel was about £300k which on a £12m contract is not a lot, so they have to make sure the money they have is going where it has to. Asking them to review the car parking or cloakrooms well into the construction phase just isn't going to get a revision.

 

I am actually pro-Mareel, and while I did have a number of concerns about the plan, once it was passed (with whatever faults it may or may not have), I accepted the supposedly democratic decision and shutup for a long time. Check back in this thread if you don't believe.

 

I didn't doubt you were for it, I was just questioning the need to be highlighting issues so long after much could be done about them. Your intent isn't negative in nature but highlighting issues as problems before they might become so can come across as negative or moaning to some folk, but you're thick skinned enough to deal with folk saying that to you.

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unlink you may want to retract that statement.

1 your not qualified to infer if the Architect was a prat. unless your a. an architect or b. your a prat.

2 your a female and using that to to attack another is poor and sexist.

3 you have complained about the rusty none rusting roof, the bogs, coat hanging. and sound proofing and now the car park.

WHY ARE YOU SO BOTHERED BY THIS PROJECT

 

maybe the design is not what you call great but its what goes on inside that will make or break the place. lets just wait and see.

 

I disagree:

 

ANYONE who has had the misfortune to work with an architect is well qualified to infer he or she is a prat.

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The questions were to find out how much of a pratt the architect is. Nothing to do with having worked with her. Based on this, the judgement by the poster on the qualities, professionally and personal are only based on answers to building questions.

 

This need for a venue was started soon after the North Star closed as a cinema (1996), so there has been plenty of opportunity to contribute to the planning and since 1997 there have been surveys to the fact that a purpose build venue is needed. Consultations were done in the same year.

 

There are links on this page here --- http://www.e-architect.co.uk/scotland/lerwick_cinema_venue.htm#.UAgY0aD-2So showing other projects the company have designed, though opening somewhat later than advertised, it is still very versatile and will prove a useful building.

 

I like this quote from the site

Mareel will be one of the few facilities in the UK to offer 'on the job' training in a working venue!
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unlink you may want to retract that statement.

1 your not qualified to infer if the Architect was a prat. unless your a. an architect or b. your a prat.

2 your a female and using that to to attack another is poor and sexist.

3 you have complained about the rusty none rusting roof, the bogs, coat hanging. and sound proofing and now the car park.

WHY ARE YOU SO BOTHERED BY THIS PROJECT

 

maybe the design is not what you call great but its what goes on inside that will make or break the place. lets just wait and see.

 

I disagree:

 

ANYONE who has had the misfortune to work with an architect is well qualified to infer he or she is a prat.

 

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The questions were to find out how much of a pratt the architect is. Nothing to do with having worked with her. Based on this, the judgement by the poster on the qualities, professionally and personal are only based on answers to building questions.

 

This need for a venue was started soon after the North Star closed as a cinema (1996), so there has been plenty of opportunity to contribute to the planning and since 1997 there have been surveys to the fact that a purpose build venue is needed. Consultations were done in the same year.

 

There are links on this page here --- http://www.e-architect.co.uk/scotland/lerwick_cinema_venue.htm#.UAgY0aD-2So showing other projects the company have designed, though opening somewhat later than advertised, it is still very versatile and will prove a useful building.

 

Eh? Wasn't it the case that the North Star closed because it knew it wouldn't be able to compete with a new venue? I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ...

 

The firm of Architects have not designed a venue of this type previously. Didn't they win a competition to design Mareel? That doesn't necessarily mean to say that they are a pile of tosh but looking at their portfolio, as I mentioned previously, doesn't mean they are/were the best Firm for the job in hand nor, as time will tell, does it mean vice versa. Besides, a lot depends on what the client asks for and then changes their mind.

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There may or may not be no debate about the original point (inadequate parking), but it moved on from there to the usual making fun and slagging off so quickly its almost surprising the original point way even noticed. A debate can only exist where the opposing viewpoints are calmly and rationally discussed in a respectful manner, something that this thread hasn't had for several pages back. Woe betide anyone who so much as dares post anything that anyone preceives as in any way "negative" of Mareel, for not only will the subject matter of whatever they post be lampooned and derided, they themselves will be verbally attacked. Check at least the last seven months of postings to this thread before attempting to dispute that.

 

"Attack the argument, not the person" is a bit thin on the ground where Mareel is concerned is it not?

 

I posted a personal opinion that I believe Mareel parking is inadequate, and I stand by that opinion.

 

The "debate" (Unlinked Student's words, not mine) was to whether there was enough car park spaces or not. There's no room for "opinion" there and it's not a grey area which can be interpreted in a myriad of different ways - there's either more than enough spaces or not nearly enough. Very obviously, the parking in and around Mareel is more than adequate. The fact of the matter is, your "opinion" was put forth and everyone else pointed out it was baseless. There's no point getting your knickers in a knot with me when you're the one with a fundamentally flawed argument.

 

For the record, I haven't slagged off or made fun of anyone. I do find it rather bemusing that some people are still so keen to moan and complain about a facility that's about to open and can seemingly find fault with the slightest aspect of it.

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Eh? Wasn't it the case that the North Star closed because it knew it wouldn't be able to compete with a new venue? I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ....

 

No. The North Star closed as a cinema (in the late 80s/early 90s, as I recall, bar the odd screening now and again) because it was a severely run down, both in terms of a cinema and as a building in general. To bring it up to scratch wouldn't have been cost prohibitive. Mareel has been on the drawing board in one form or another for over 15 years to fill that gap.

 

The firm of Architects have not designed a venue of this type previously. Didn't they win a competition to design Mareel? That doesn't necessarily mean to say that they are a pile of tosh but looking at their portfolio, as I mentioned previously, doesn't mean they are/were the best Firm for the job in hand nor, as time will tell, does it mean vice versa. Besides, a lot depends on what the client asks for and then changes their mind.

 

I have no idea if they won a competition or not, or how many similar buildings they may or may not have worked on. I do know that the construction methods on buildings where there's a lot of AV wiring, etc differ from the norm. I imagine that they will have at least consulted on that. There's only so many changes a client can ask for on a build of this type, though.

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I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ...

 

May be a good reason to keep quiet on this subject.

 

Are there other threads you haven't tried?

 

Get stuffed! If I wasn't here at the time, at least I've got the decency to say so (And my thanks goes to Fatal PC for providing the low down on that particular point) but I've got every damned right to comment on Mareel, as have you. ShetlandPeat doesn't even live here any more - you gonna have a 'personal attack' at him posting on this thread too?

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I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ...

 

May be a good reason to keep quiet on this subject.

 

Are there other threads you haven't tried?

 

Get stuffed! If I wasn't here at the time, at least I've got the decency to say so (And my thanks goes to Fatal PC for providing the low down on that particular point) but I've got every damned right to comment on Mareel, as have you. ShetlandPeat doesn't even live here any more - you gonna have a 'personal attack' at him posting on this thread too?

 

shetlink is used for discussion and anyone can participate. Besides unlink lives here now so even more so allowed an opinion as it will affect unlinked too!

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I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ...

 

May be a good reason to keep quiet on this subject.

 

Are there other threads you haven't tried?

 

Get stuffed! If I wasn't here at the time, at least I've got the decency to say so (And my thanks goes to Fatal PC for providing the low down on that particular point) but I've got every damned right to comment on Mareel, as have you. ShetlandPeat doesn't even live here any more - you gonna have a 'personal attack' at him posting on this thread too?

 

Dry your eyes, some of the stoness that comes from your keyboard leaves you wide open to the type of stick you get.

 

This is my last post on this site, I'm afraid It's turned into an intolerable

hole of 4/5 know it all TWiTS!!!!

 

GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE :wink:

 

[**Mod Edit** Tamed a little - play nice please - if you come back..]

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This need for a venue was started soon after the North Star closed as a cinema (1996)

 

Though what has evolved into Mareel has its roots then, there were consultations for a similar entertainments venue (inc cinema and bowling alley) long before that, as I remember very well the first petition I signed as a secondary pupil (which must have been between 1984 and 1988), asking for such a venue to be made a priority instead of more leisure centres, and the frustration that what seemed a majority view among us of that age was apparently ignored.

 

Purely out of interest, does anyone remember more details of that project?

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I wasn't here so I wouldn't know ...

 

May be a good reason to keep quiet on this subject.

 

Are there other threads you haven't tried?

 

Get stuffed! If I wasn't here at the time, at least I've got the decency to say so (And my thanks goes to Fatal PC for providing the low down on that particular point) but I've got every damned right to comment on Mareel, as have you. ShetlandPeat doesn't even live here any more - you gonna have a 'personal attack' at him posting on this thread too?

 

Dry your eyes ya auld cow, some of the stones that comes from your keyboard leaves you wide open to the type of stick you get.

 

This is my last post on this site, I'm afraid It's turned into an intolerable

SH(I)thole of 4/5 know it all TWATS!!!!

 

GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE :wink:

 

:lik:

 

That's one down Unliked, only a few more to go and you can have this site all to yourself!!!

 

Peerie funs kens :wink:

 

Heard today that one of the contractors has walked off site due to not being paid, probably a lot of pish at this late stage.

 

Can't wait for it to open.

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This need for a venue was started soon after the North Star closed as a cinema (1996)

 

Though what has evolved into Mareel has its roots then, there were consultations for a similar entertainments venue (inc cinema and bowling alley) long before that, as I remember very well the first petition I signed as a secondary pupil (which must have been between 1984 and 1988), asking for such a venue to be made a priority instead of more leisure centres, and the frustration that what seemed a majority view among us of that age was apparently ignored.

 

Purely out of interest, does anyone remember more details of that project?

 

The bowling alley/cinema was going to be positioned where DITT's yard is now. DITT and George Hepburn were trying to fund it, can't remember what happened to the idea am afraid.

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