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He did not intend to look for additional funding. He was right at that time. However, things change. I remember being told by my MP that the Gov had no plans to close Coastguard Stations, at the time she was right. They didn't. Then things changed. As they have in this case...

 

I agree that things can change, but he was, according to the previous post, making these statements just a year ago. I would have thought that the warning signs should have been on the table by then!

 

I just feel the project team has not managed this one very well :cry:

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I just feel the project team has not managed this one very well :cry:

 

Precisely, and I don't see why we, the public should happily bale out poor management to the tune of already over £1/2 Million, and possibly more yet to be decided between management and contractor.

 

Its public money, and to convince the pubic to give more than they already have done, the public needs to be convinced how and why the overspend arose and that it was unavoidable.

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No, it was not so long ago. In September 2011 they were still adamant the project would come in within budget:

 

Wasn't 100% sure but did seem to remember there being rumblings about the amount of contingency spent as much as two year ago. Since he was saying all that as recently as a year ago I can only think a lot of these additional costs weren't claimed by DITT at the time.

 

 

I just feel the project team has not managed this one very well :cry:

 

Precisely, and I don't see why we, the public should happily bale out poor management to the tune of already over £1/2 Million, and possibly more yet to be decided between management and contractor.

 

Its public money, and to convince the pubic to give more than they already have done, the public needs to be convinced how and why the overspend arose and that it was unavoidable.

 

It's maybe not an issue of mismanagement though. However, on reading EM's post I find it surprising that Mr Gibbons was saying as recently as he was that it would come in on budget. As I said above I can only think a claim has been made by DITT towards the end of the job.

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It's maybe not an issue of mismanagement though. However, on reading EM's post I find it surprising that Mr Gibbons was saying as recently as he was that it would come in on budget. As I said above I can only think a claim has been made by DITT towards the end of the job.

 

You could be right, but 1.2 million, whether in late claims, overspend, needed to finish the job or a mixture of all three, suggests to me that something somewhere hasn't been properly managed.

 

In saying that, contracts of this size are very complicated and difficult to manage, that's why they hire and pay specialist consultants lots of money. :roll:

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(** mod edit - this a post is the first of a new thread started re: MAreel entitled 'mareel bail out' as per Shetlink Guidelines: **)

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The new thread contained a poll asking 'should the SIC bail out mareel?' with responses:

Yes - 33% [ 35 ]

No - 66% [ 69 ]

 

 

i see that mareel is out with the begging bowl already, should the SIC ( we the council tax payers) bail out mareel

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according to the shetland times, the bail out is due to the overspend on the building of mareel. why does that not surprise me. and before anyone asks YES i have used mareel I went to see skyfall. the cinema seats are more comfirtable that the garrison, however given the cost of mareel i would expect nothing less than comfy seats. i have not used the cafeteria, but have been told it is really expensive to use. personally i prefer to use the museum cafeteria

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As serious as it is, the answer is no.

 

I read The Shetland Times this morning and saw the word "bailout" used and this is exactly what it is.

 

It would be scandelous if they bailed it out while closing schools and cutting every concievable front-line service to beyond the pale.

 

How many warned this would happen......?.

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As I've said elsewhere on here, knee-jerk answer, no. "Big Picture" answer don't know.

 

Definitely "no" or the basis of the information currently in the public domain. The public has no idea whether this overspend was enitrely unavoidable, inevitable, so someplace in between. No doubt the official line taken by SA is that it was unavoidable, and that they did everything in their power to minimise it. That may or may not be the truth, and/or the opinion of everyone, and after the track record laid down by SA to get the project this far, it isn't a claim I'm prepared to accept without supporting evidence to back it up.

 

If SA can provide satisfactory evidence that they are victims of circumstances that could not have reasonably been forseen and/or avoided, then fine, let the request be considered against that backdrop and stand or fall on actual merit.

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It's not a knee-jerk reaction from me - I was against it from the beginning and I'm against everything Shetland Arts stands for.

 

Like others, I have also said for years that the number of sport centres/swimming pools was utter madness.

 

Even if this £500,000 is sanctioned and the other funding comes in will Mareel survive the financial test of time?.

 

Methinks not.....

 

And what about any future legal settlements......

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Are all the isles leisure centres run in a permanent state of bailout in that they are subsidised?

 

I would think that it has done well to start, but the novelty factor will wear off

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When you add into the mix the council laying off a significant number of employees over the next few years, well a lot more people wont have the surplus cash by then......

 

The white elephant theorists will be proved correct, I give it 3 years.

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