Mareel - Cinema & Music Venue

[DavieG]

Well yes we dont want a huge multiplex but more variety of films could start a trend of cinema going that has been lost in Shetland. And unlike Cheltenham where it is easy to go to other towns for entertainment a venue in Shetland would have a captive audience.

 

Anyone know if multiplex cinemas can have one projectionist showing several films at the same time.

 

 

Would you throw your own money at something that "could start a trend"? Trends are, by their very nature, cyclical and what's popular one year won't be another year.

 

I hardly think "could start a trend" is a sound footing to commit this amount of money. Try getting a bank loan for something that "could start

a trend".

 

Good luck.

 

Its keeping up with tyrends thats important if you want to survive.

[DavieG]

Mind you, and not meaning to sound like an alarmist loony, but I do think that with rising sea levels, if it's going to be built at the North Ness, we'll end up sitting through performances in wir rubber boots, snorkels at hand. Is there an alternative site?

 

thats a good point!

 

i remember that the ice factory was refused planing permition because it was near the sea? so how has the new place been alowed to continue right on the edge?

 

Answered this before. The Ice Factory was turned down due to the fear that someone might fall into the sea - among other things I suspect. When it was pointed out that this approach might force the closure of the Thule, Captain Flints the Boating Club and the Queens (both of whom are built into the sea) to name but three, there were all round.

 

That's Shetland for you. Has anyone been to the Tyne and seen the nightclub there? Cant recall anyone drowning there?

not been to the tyne . but i know a few have died in lerwick harbour. water is a great atraction for children so will the cinema and music venue be fenced off

 

Any genuine risk will be assessed prior to and during any construction phase as it would be with any project so if this is seen as a genuine issue I am sure it will be addressed in the appropriate manner

[DavieG]

Do you see where I'm coming from regarding these figures. Don't take my word for it - ask Islesburgh.

 

Do you happen to know how many people it takes for a film showing to break even even on a single night if there are no major overheads? I dont but I believe they would not be astronomical, especially if the building also had other income streams operating at the same time.

 

i think the overheads will be higher now - when Islesburgh took films in they would have to pay theatre staff and the cut to the film man - thats all

 

noW the new arts lot will have the HIRE the theatre from the council/Islesburgh then pay their own staff to man the doors - so its going to cost the arts lot more. I persume they will be programming the theatre but i persume the wont get it for free!

 

 

by the Way the 'Shetland Arts' is a half baked idea of a name in my oppinion it should have been 'Shetland Arts Development'

 

 

SAD - Oh please. Imagine the alugh you would have had at our expense then!!!

[DavieG]

i think if you have a grip about letters in the paper i think you best answer them back in the paper, not in here. not everyone has the internet so not everyone reads in here.

 

i would ask as an idea if we could all keep posts shorter and not a full novel, this bores lots of people included myself, i have given up by half of it - that i think thats a shame as you now post so much and it not to be read

 

we also have to watch this page does not turn into 'ask the arts trust fourm' i persume do you ask your employer its ok to write what you write, before doing so. or you may be classed as a loose cannon.

this speek would be a sackable afence in many companies - including the council, hence why so many people cant use their real name in here

 

 

First you say we dont communicate or provide enough info, then..........

[DavieG]

i think if you have a grip about letters in the paper i think you best answer them back in the paper, not in here. not everyone has the internet so not everyone reads in here.

 

i would ask as an idea if we could all keep posts shorter and not a full novel, this bores lots of people included myself, i have given up by half of it - that i think thats a shame as you now post so much and it not to be read

 

we also have to watch this page does not turn into 'ask the arts trust fourm' i persume do you ask your employer its ok to write what you write, before doing so. or you may be classed as a loose cannon.

this speek would be a sackable afence in many companies - including the council, hence why so many people cant use their real name in here

 

Oh and just for clarity - all the info I have provided is official and has been fully discussed by either the project team or the combined steering group or more likely both.

 

Where my cooments are personal I have stated this.

 

OK I have stuck my head above the parapet but only in the interests of gettin official info out to those of you who are concerned something I am quite prepared to live with whatever.

 

Mind you we have also had anonymous postings from someone who clearly says they currently work for Islesburgh and are of a much more personal approach so.......

[Wheesht]

Oh and just for clarity - all the info I have provided is official and has been fully discussed by either the project team or the combined steering group or more likely both.

 

Where my cooments are personal I have stated this.

 

OK I have stuck my head above the parapet but only in the interests of gettin official info out to those of you who are concerned something I am quite prepared to live with whatever.

 

Mind you we have also had anonymous postings from someone who clearly says they currently work for Islesburgh and are of a much more personal approach so.......

 

Head down Davie, missiles incoming!

 

A new week a new battle.

[DavieG]

Do you see where I'm coming from regarding these figures. Don't take my word for it - ask Islesburgh.

 

Do you happen to know how many people it takes for a film showing to break even even on a single night if there are no major overheads? I dont but I believe they would not be astronomical, especially if the building also had other income streams operating at the same time.

 

i think the overheads will be higher now - when Islesburgh took films in they would have to pay theatre staff and the cut to the film man - thats all

 

noW the new arts lot will have the HIRE the theatre from the council/Islesburgh then pay their own staff to man the doors - so its going to cost the arts lot more. I persume they will be programming the theatre but i persume the wont get it for free!

 

 

by the Way the 'Shetland Arts' is a half baked idea of a name in my oppinion it should have been 'Shetland Arts Development'

 

Just read this fully. The Garriison will come under the new Arts Develomment Agency's remit as of 1st April (no jokes please) so it would be unlikely we would hire it from ourselves. We had to hire it from Islesburgh prior to this anyway (the internal money go round again.

 

As to paying our staff to man it. Nobody at the Arts Trust (or indeed those of us transferring to the new agency) earns overtime or any other perks for working extra hours - so if you see us there, or anywhere at events in the evening or weekends - we are working for nothing (unlike some other Trusts) - again no sympathy required.

[DavieG]

 

You're almost right Davie G.

 

Except for the simple fact that the Garrison tuck shop IS reality.

 

The projected income for the proposed venue isn't.

 

At best it's a guess.

 

IMHO it's a wild guess.

 

Reality in its own right of course and I'm sure it serves the purpose ver well - but hardly a full blown service to be equated against the new facility proposal

[DavieG]

Perhaps you should re-read my earlier post. Last night WASN'T a film, it was probably the most popular concert of the year at the Garrison. Last year it sold out two nights, this year it's on three nights and HASN'T sold out.

 

How about the new Jim Carey film that was on at the Garrison last Thursday? Attendance 8.

 

Do you see where I'm coming from regarding these figures. Don't take my word for it - ask Islesburgh.

 

Granted, but it does illustrate that people are willing to go out through the week if there is something on (film, drama etc) where booze plays no part.

Hey marvin any chance o a weel paid job we da cooncil lik dee sittin Aa day postin stuff on dis site

 

 

This is disgraceful - you should be ashamed of yourself poster. Well done the lads for putting a stop to this kind of thing.

[Wheesht]

The tuck shop at the Garrison is a joke. Even if you wanted to buy something the system of quing, buying and getting into the place prevents that happening as far as I have seen.

[DavieG]

Cheers for now

I agree with Davie Gardner that personal attacks on individuals are unjustified and I would go as far as saying that whatever point of view they are ignorant and unhelpfull. Everybody is entitled to thier views and they should all be taken into consideration.

I am one of the biggest opponents to this venue because I feel that due to the economic climate we are facing we simply cannot afford to either build or maintain this project. However please stop slandering people for thier points of view if you have something to say be constructive.

But to be honest I do get fed up reading Daveis war and peace!

I can assure everyone on this site that I will try my upmost to get this project stopped And I Will not go away! Our protest might not have the polished approach of the pro venue BUT WE ARE HEAR TO STAY!!!

 

Cheers for this Michael - I wid have expected no less of de and nothing wrong with agreeing to differ.

[Wheesht]

As the information picture moves and changes I find myself leaning towards a yes vote!

 

The LTA are, in my opinion, shooting themselves in the foot here.

 

Referendum please.

[DavieG]

And now I really have sounded my 'last post' on this issue for the time being. - I will stand by for the clever comments..........

[Wheesht]

And now I really have sounded my 'last post' on this issue for the time being. - I will stand by for the clever comments..........

 

That's not allowed Mr G. You are the man paid to develop music and as such have a duty (despite what others say) to answer the public's questions on this issue. Keep it up.

 

PS. Which band is playing the last post and chorus for you?

[DavieG]

And now I really have sounded my 'last post' on this issue for the time being. - I will stand by for the clever comments..........

 

That's not allowed Mr G. You are the man paid to develop music and as such have a duty (despite what others say) to answer the public's questions on this issue. Keep it up.

 

PS. Which band is playing the last post and chorus for you?

 

And i dont disagree.........but unless there is something really new to cover then I'm starting to feel, maybe wrongly, that I've just about said it all and we are now debating in circles and nothing much new of real relevance is coming to the surface, so I'm actually prioritising developing music in fact as I have normally do on a day to day basis (having given so much time to this site last week)

 

I will be posting the events we are involved in this year on this site soon so you will see the amount of things happening that I also have to deal with.

 

However I will be keeping an eye on the site of course and will chip in if necessary....don't worry.