Carlos Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Projected cash flow alcohol sales of £250,000, or £5000 per week!!! I'm not too keen on that figure either, but more for what it would mean.If you look to have Friday and Saturday nights "full", 300 people, then you are only at £9 on drinks per person for those 2 nights...... which would seem to be achievable if you set that as your main goal. As you say though that would not be the use I would prefer, but there are plenty of people on here who have the opposite view, and see that as it's main purpose. It would seem though that if it has to meet its running costs then here that means selling booze.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 What about leave the old seats in the garrison and give away a free nip of blackwoods vodka. Leave entertainments to free enterprise and essential services to the SIC. If you really want a flash venue northern rock have a good deal especially if you have a £4.2M deposit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 What we have is a music venue which is going to be too small to make any real difference - I'm sorry but I've totally made up my mind on that fact - a cinema which we son't really need (the Garrison refurbishment idea seems to make perfect sense to me) whilst I am sure that the proposed areas for workshops/education can be provided separately in some way. Shetland Arts 20 + staff (bloody hell I can't believe there are that many - what do they all do!!?) can sit tight where they are at I am sure. Actually in a perverse way I seem to remember a hell of a lot more activity from Shetland Arts when there were only about 6 of them Arthur Watt, Jackie Clark, Davie Gardner and crew at the auld office - mind you there was more work going on then and much less fixation on jollies sooth at any cost! The harsh reality is that that the scary facts behind this project are now sinking in and this is why you have more than 1/3 of the Councillors already firmly pitched in the NO BLOODY WAY camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 My 2 cents... I think any new "cultural" development in shetland should be welcomed, although like many I'm maybe a wee bit cynical about the project's execution. Not because I think the people behind the development are in any way incompetent (I'm sure the opposite is true), but it's just that most publically funded enterprises in scotland tend to get bogged down in a quagmire of procedural noise, revisions, amendments, endless committee meetings and general tail chasing... Still, I wish it the best of luck and hope that something decent comes out of it all. http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/news_04_2008/Music%20&%20cinema%20venue2.jpg PS - The architectural vision (above link) seems a bit sketchy. The building itself doesn't look very inspiring, although I'm liking the translucent ghost figures. It's nice to see that often-overlooked 'un-dead' will, at last, also be catered for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorfus chucklepants Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 What about leave the old seats in the garrison and give away a free nip of blackwoods vodka. Tempting. I went to a play last year where the cast dished out Czech brandy to those who wanted some whilst queuing outside and again inside before the show started. None of these little sips either - you had to knock back a glass of it. I naturally, as you do, partook on both occasions but my bladder and those seats didn't really mix! Leave entertainments to free enterprise and essential services to the SIC. If Dr Wills has been told the right way about the proposed AHS, then according to his letter on Shetland News it has the space and design to function as a theatre and art gallery, not to mention the sporting facilities. Perhaps a reason for the £48m estimate for the new AHS is that it isn't focusing on the essentials of education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 As someone who voted yes, very definitely, when this topic started. I would now be interested to see the poll done again. I rather fear that, as more of the lunacy of this projects costs and statistics come to light, I may not be the only one who would change my vote. I'm still very much in favour of a dedicated music venue for Shetland. But as usual the SIC is running full steam towards the idea that only a Rolls Royce will do, when in reality something slightly more modest, in terms of design and cost, such as a Volkswagen, will do the job well enough.Using the analogy of cars is not just for silliness,, think of the comparative running and maintenance costs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlander Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 The AHS might initially look sensible from a school pupils perspective, but ultimately fails to take account of everyone else in the community who wants to access music education facilities, go to a concert in a proper venue, and go to the cinema. Would every person wanting to perform/rehearse/record in the AHS have to be disclosure checked first? If so, who would pay for and administer the procedure? Would the school be open after 5pm and in the holidays? If so, who would be checking that the facilities were being used properly? Who would be paid to do this? Who would pay for the cost of the use of school utilities like electricity? How would they work this out? School planned events would also clash with potential concerts, film showings etc. The Garrison, NAFC, New Museum and Archives, etc: these are not cinemas. They are lecture halls and are only available at limited times. They simply cannot offer the same service a decent cinema does. Using the new AHS as an alternative is a half baked idea at best. If it did come to be, the state of things would be no different from what they are now. If the cost of providing things didn't matter, I doubt whether anyone would disagree with you. Unfortunately, it does and at some point, the financial implications of providing non-essential arts and leisure facilities is going to have to take precedence over the social benefits (and I accept that there are indeed many) a venue such as Mareel could bring. No, none of the current film screening venues are purpose built or offer a truly authentic cinema experience and yes, the practicalities of operating a new music venue alongside a high school would have to be given careful consideration. I accept that such a compromise may not be ideal in every respect but it would be a damned sight cheaper and would save at least some of the millions earmarked for Mareel for one of the many more essential projects on the rapidly growing capital programme. If the prosperity that it has brought with it is a positive legacy of the impact oil has had on the isles, the negative is the loss of focus in some quarters on just how good Shetland has it. The Council has already far surpassed its role as a local authority in terms of the range and quality of the amenities it provides and at some point, somebody has to stop and take a check on reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 On the financial side I think we would need to know the full package proposed. If the proposal is to cut the Mareel funding as part of a reduction of the capital programme and a "bite the bullet" tapering back of the revenue spend to sustainable levels then fair enough, it is a price to pay. If the proposal is to cut the Mareel £5m and spend it on the next £5m worth of projects on the capital programme, and keep drawing more capital money to make up for revenue overspend, then that is a different situation. I actually do not see many projects on the capital programme that would benefit Shetland as a whole as much as Mareel would, particularly if it is really a case of contributing £5m and getting a £9m facility that is close to self financing. Somewhere in between those 2 we might have a proposals for a cut down facility, or something partly shared with the new AHS or whatever. A different option. What would the capital and revenue costs on that be? If they were £3m for £3m worth of project how does that stack against £5m for £9m worth? Are those figures good? Would reducing the range of areas the facility covered drop it's income so that it would not pay it's running costs? How much would those be? Lots of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiiMan Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 But as usual the SIC is running full steam towards the idea that only a Rolls Royce will do, when in reality something slightly more modest, in terms of design and cost, such as a Volkswagen, will do the job well enough. In fairness to the council, I think some of them at least are coming to the realisation that this project is out of control. Shetland Arts 20 + staff (bloody hell I can't believe there are that many - what do they all do!!?) can sit tight where they are at I am sure. Actually in a perverse way I seem to remember a hell of a lot more activity from Shetland Arts when there were only about 6 of them.... Good question Mutley. No wonder they're looking for volunteers, I don't think they can afford to pay any more people and that's without Mareel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeriebryan Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 An article about a report outlining the importance of the creative industries to Shetland's economy was published on the Shetland News website today - Creative sector could be top performer The report highlights how the creative industries are worth £25 million to Shetland with "plenty of room for expansion", and that investment into the creative sector would result in considerable benefits for Shetland's economy Regarding Mareel, the article states Suggestions for building on this include the proposed Mareel cinema/music venue One issue the study highlights is the lack of rehearsal and working space for people involved in the arts, which the Shetland Arts Development Agency hope to provide with the new £9.3 million Mareel at North Ness, Lerwick. The findings of the report are to be announced at the "Shetland Creative Industries Unit" meeting at the Town Hall on the 17th of April Will the venue built to include a cinema be big enough to attract big names?. Will the cinema built into a venue be too small to show blockbusters or too big for art house films?.As I stated in my last post, the music venue and cinema capacities and have been carefully considered on their own meritsSorry JustMe, I didn't answer your question fully. The cinema will have a capacity of around 160 and a second smaller screen/ teaching room will have a capacity of around 35, suitable for the 'Art House' films you mention On the subject of capacities, they're in the plans - http://www.shetland.gov.uk/capitalprogramme/documents/LCM_designstatement_lowquality.pdf The floor area of the main auditorium will have the following capacities:-> seated - around 250 (on retractable bleacher seating, with wheelchair provision) or -> standing - around 6-700 hundred (depending on the stage extensions used and the type of event) Additionally The balcony of the auditorium-> seated - 85 (with wheelchair provision) In response to folk who have posted nocuous comments about Shetland Arts and it's staff: It might be beneficially transparent to declare your interests and/or identities. Generalised disparagement and unsubstantiated allegations from anonymous parties does nothing to promote debate or constructive outcomes (for the record, I'm the music development officer at Shetland Arts, as it states in my profile and has been mentioned many times on Shetlink and elsewhere) Shetland Arts is a publicly funded body which has always welcomed feedback. If anyone has any questions regarding Mareel, or Shetland Arts in general, please feel free to drop along the offices at the Toll Clock Centre or phone 01595 743 843 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Sorry,,, bit I cudna resist a peerie dig.... http://shetlopedia.com/Mareel%3F I mean nae ill tae da idea dat we sairly need a guid music venue..Just dat we sudna lat da architects an designers get aa da penga. A basic biggin wi guid facilities wid dö ower weel. Dookin atil da grev o a paet bank eence mair.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JAStewart Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 I dunna understand Ramsie, are you for or against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Does anyone have a list of the councillors who have singed this motion to oppose the Mareel. The only names I can find are Alison Duncan and Jonathan Wills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 And why are we paying for the new school? Surely this is something (like the new hospital) that should be paid for by Holyrood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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