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I take you won't be voting for New Labour, then?

Sadly I will almost certainly decide my voting preferences for the imminent and all future elections on the parties domestic policy and/or on what I think of the candidates as people. Sadly because foreign policy is important but domestic policy will affect me.

 

I don't think foreign policy can be separated from domestic policy as neatly as that. Money spent on dropping bombs on Iraq is money that could have been spent on schools or hospitals, for example. Any politician who voted for the Iraq war has lost my vote forever.

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Ah we agree on something Evil inky, it is hypocritical to say dont like what we are doing in the world outside our borders but vote in the very clowns who are pushing that policy because they keep the voters happy by keeping their pockets full.

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I would not back down to Iran, they think the UK is weak. Bet they would have never done this to the US!

 

Have you never heard of the Iranian hostage crisis which lasted from 1979-1981 ? Sixty-six American hostages held in Tehran, and eight Marines killed in an unsuccessful rescue attempt...

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I would not back down to Iran, they think the UK is weak. Bet they would have never done this to the US!

 

Have you never heard of the Iranian hostage crisis which lasted from 1979-1981 ? Sixty-six American hostages held in Tehran, and eight Marines killed in an unsuccessful rescue attempt...

 

 

A couple of intersting articles on the subject....

 

Overview

http://www.answers.com/topic/iranian-hostage-crisis

 

A bit more detail

http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/journal_of_military_history/v067/67.1cogan.html

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Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border

 

I just can't see the sense in it, regardless of whether they were in Iran's waters or not what is Iran hoping to gain?

 

reminds me of the bill hicks sketch "Pick up the Gun!"

 

Pressure is really being put on Iran which is a shame because there really isn't anywhere for the country to go, and any extra pressure is just going to back them into a corner.

 

I really wouldn't surprise me if the soldiers were in Iran's waters as a rouse. Oh but Tony said there weren't, well that clears that up then!

 

For more in-depth Analysis:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361578.html

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Even if they were in iranian waters, international military conduct does not give them permission to board other vessels and capture crew on board. Isn't it standard for them to give 3 warnings that they are on Iranian waters before escorting them out of their territory?

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Even if they were in iranian waters, international military conduct does not give them permission to board other vessels and capture crew on board. Isn't it standard for them to give 3 warnings that they are on Iranian waters before escorting them out of their territory?

 

What had the British sailors just done? Boarded and searched an Indian vessel. Did they give three warnings or attempt to escort the vessel out of Iraqui waters?

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More use by the Iranian government of the the most emotive link - ie. female hostage. More propoganda letters. Hardliners callling four our service people to be executed! The UN not really taking the whole situaton seriously. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this, where our service people were etc. this aint looking good. If it continues the way it is going, watch this space - SAS and SBS. No one should mess with us in this way.

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Fair comment. There is a big big difference. We are a democracy with freedom of speech, rights for women, and right to life. Whilst I am not advocating a 'we are better than them' philosophy, it is literally a 'good cop' 'bad cop' scenario. I don't think our country should be bullied this way. We were a democracy when these boys were running around with camels!

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We don't actually have freedom of speech in the UK, well not in the American sense. and criticizing them on the the differences in their society is weak why not look at Saudi Arabia, Myanmar... these places are infinitely worse than Iran.

 

I personally don't think any country should be bullied this way, but I am more abhorred by us bullying, which we have done for some time, using international organization which we control. Iran can't have nuclear weapons yet we need trident. This is a dangerous world, we need the weapon to protect ourselves, yet Iran living in probably the most unstable area of the planet. Here, have a stick (International Bodies) Iran, but we will keep hold of it for now.

 

We and our allies have successfully Isolated them look at the map.

 

http://dontencouragethem.net/pics/middle-east-map.png

 

It is almost like china taking Poland and France doing navel maneuvers in the north sea at the same time as telling Germany that they are not allowed any viable defensive strategy! Then when they have been successfully backed into a corner and possibly try to assert some style of sovereignty criticize them like they are the bad guys.

 

We were a democracy when these boys were running around with camels!

Well actually a lot of them are they are still running around on camels. and the closest they ever got to democracy was Mohammad Mossadegh who we performed a coup d'état against and replaced with the autocratic shah.

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No one should mess with us in this way.

 

I think that is also the Iranian attitude.

 

I think that an admirable attitude. Just not one you want to fight against. :)

 

More use by the Iranian government of the the most emotive link - ie. female hostage.

 

An indication I think of the motives behind the whole thing, they are attempting to push us, seeing how much we will take.

 

I really wouldn't surprise me if the soldiers were in Iran's waters as a rouse. Oh but Tony said there weren't, well that clears that up then!

 

Apparently the first co-ordinates given for the British by the Iranians was inside Iraqi waters, when that was pointed out to them they changed their minds and moved the co-ordinates.

 

We don't actually have freedom of speech in the UK, well not in the American sense. and criticizing them on the the differences in their society is weak why not look at Saudi Arabia, Myanmar... these places are infinitely worse than Iran.

 

If we didn't have freedom of speech in the UK you wouldn't be allowed to complain about it, I think it's more free here but thats another debate. Whilst I think that the roots of most our problems in the middle-east region are to be found in Saudi-Arabia, they're leaders haven't vowed to destroy the West, or wipe Israel of the face of the map, as Ahmadinejad has.

 

The way of life of most people in Iran might be closer to what we would call civilised, but the man at the helm is a is a head-case of the highest order.

 

As far as I'm concerned he has already justified military action against him and his country, long before this latest fiasco. A possibly more sensible approach for the Brits would be to get out of Iraq and leave it as a location for Iran and Saudi-Arabia to beat each other up over. Its going to happen anyway when we leave.

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