Would you have left your kids alone?

[Njugle]

Carlos, i really didn't see that one coming. Thanks anyway. I had done a slight search as to other national media opinions of all this. Seems much the same all over.

 

as you say;a mesma merde, um país differente

[Pleepsie]

A source close to the family said tonight that they can show how the samples got into the car. He said that Madeleine’s clothes and other belongings had been carried in the Renault Scenic when the family moved house.

 

These included a pair of pyjamas which Madeleine had worn on the holiday, a pair of her flip-flops and nappies used by Madeleine’s twin brother and sister before her disappearance on May 3.

 

A family source said: “Who is to say what happened when they moved to the new villa? The seats were ripped out and everything including Madeleine’s sandals and the twins’ nappies were dumped in the car — which would have included traces of skin, sweat and bodily fluids.â€

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2485260.ece

 

Who on earth moves house and puts dirty nappies (kept from before May 3rd ) under the spare wheel cover? most people would have put them in the bin straight away!!! Not so the Mccanns, they save them for weeks

 

Considering how tidy and organised they are I am amazed that they didn't pack clothes which includes their missing daughters sandals and pyjamas[i for one would treasure my missing childs items of clothing] into a bag, even a bin bag would do! but chuck them willy nilly into the spare wheel

well.......that is unless you had a special reason for doing so

 

Now it would appear that their Priest has gone into hiding. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/new.....-vanished/

 

Things are moving fast!

[spencey7]

Now it would appear that their Priest has gone into hiding. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/new.....-vanished/

*cough*DAILY STAR*cough*

 

Things are moving fast!

I would severely contend this point. The demand for new developments in the current media environment is a large part of what made this case such a farce in the first place.

[Pleepsie]

^^^^

Perhaps it was not the best choice of paper.....will this do?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19488/Madeleine-Police-will-question-two-priests-on-Algarve

 

Look about half way down.

[Pleepsie]

^^Thought I would cut and paste the section from the Daily Express for easier reading.

 

"But in a startling development the police have revealed they intend to grill both priests.

Police on the Algarve believe Kate, 39, accidentally killed her daughter and then disposed of her body with the help of her husband.

 

They are certain that the couple would have confessed in order to absolve themselves of the sin. However Catholic priests are bound by an oath meaning they can never reveal what is said in the confessional box.

 

It had been reported that Father Pacheco’s relationship with the couple had cooled in recent weeks but on Monday night he insisted that the McCanns enjoyed his unswerving support. He said: “I could never stop supporting a family living a tragedyâ€.

 

Yesterday, however, Father Pacheco appeared to have gone to ground and no one in Praia da luz – including police who want to question him – knew his whereabouts.

[ArabiaTerra]

Father Pacheco appeared to have gone to ground

I'm sorry, but if I suddenly found myself in the sights of the tabloid feeding frenzy surrounding this tragic case I would go to ground as well.

[Pleepsie]

^^

Especially if the police wanted to question you

[KOYAANISQATSI]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/18/nmaddy318.xml

On Tuesday the couple said they would make a direct approach to prime minister Gordon Brown to lay out their defence.

 

W.T.F ?

[JustMe]

Going back to the original question about leaving kids alone I was at an event on the mainland last weekend with a friend of mine and he allowed his two children aged 4 and 8 to wander away from sight on several occasions and judging by the weeping child I saw near me at one point he was not the only parent not closely supervising a child.

 

So certainly Madeline was not the only child to be left in a vulnerable position by caring parents this year.

[Malcolm]

We used to own caravans at Reighton sands (Yorkshire) and before at Pitlochry, I was astounded at the amount of kids roaming freely with absolutely no parental guidance. Mum and dad were of course too busy getting pissed at the bar!

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Just out of interest; was Madelienes eye defect due to the IVF, has there been word of any other problems she had connected with this, there seems little knowledge on this.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s904186.htm

Narration: Even though many of the problems are minor, it still mean IVF babies could be three times more likely than naturally born kids to have defects. It’s more bad news for the IVF industry, but what does it mean for parents desperate to have children?

Timothy Round: I don’t think it would affect what we’d decided to do really… it’s our only chance... take the good with the bad... you’re not going to love them any less.

 

I do know they are good Catholics:

Mr and Mrs McCann, who have drawn heavily on their Catholic faith since their daughter’s abduction, said that although they were convinced Madeleine, 4, was still alive, they had considered what would happen if she were not returned home.

Gerry McCann, 39, said: “If we don’t get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1936262.ece

 

Is the pope aware of that they were all IVF children and does he throw out the rule book if one goes missing. I did see this but it doesn't explain about exceptions to the rule:

IVF violates the rights of the child: it deprives him of his filial relationship with his parental origins and can hinder the maturing of his personality. It objectively deprives conjugal fruitfulness of its unity and integrity, it brings about and manifests a rupture between genetic parenthood, gestational parenthood, and responsibility for upbringing. This threat to the unity and stability of the family is a source of dissension, disorder, and injustice in the whole of social life.

In summary, the Catholic Church condemns as gravely evil acts, both IVF in and of itself, and stem cell research performed on IVF embryos.

http://catholicinsight.com/online/church/vatican/article_475.shtml

 

I dont know if any of this is relevent, and far be it for me to speculate but I thought I'd leave it here for them that might be interested.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

OH I did find this:

The Catholic Church teaches that besides the massive loss of human life at the embryonic stage entailed by artificial procreation, such procedures reduce the child to a commodity that can be treated as property.

 

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/aug/07082910.html

 

Despite this view their church had on Madeliene, I'm glad they still have a strong faith.

 

Mr McCann said the goodness that had been generated by "one evil act" had restored his faith.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6701819.stm

 

Like I said on page 1, it beggars belief.

[moorit]

Going back to the original question about leaving kids alone .........

 

So certainly Madeline was not the only child to be left in a vulnerable position by caring parents this year.

 

I too have been surprised by the number of parents, who I would never have expected to have left their kids alone in similar circumstances, have said to me they have done that in the past.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Personally, there would be more chance of me killing my 3 year old than there is of me leaving them alone, while I went off on one.

 

There is always the posibility of a freak accident that could be my fault.

Zero chance of going out for a meal while they slept alone.

It's not "holier than thou", it's a basic parental instinct, surely.

[hellsbells]

This quote from Gerry McCann beggars belief to me.

 

Gerry McCann, 39, said: “If we don’t get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after.

 

My faith, if I had any would be out the window and how the hell would he know that Madeleine would be looked after, God that bairn maybe has endured hell for all we know.