Death Penalty

[Gibber]

I guess you could say Life (meaning LIFE) in prison. If the death penalty worked (as a deterrent) then there wouldn't be so many on death rows in prisons.

 

Hard to say that LIFE imprisonment would be any more of a deterrent than execution. But in terms of appealing against a sentence, LIFE can mean release if found to be innocent whereas execution doesn't allow this possibility.

 

However this argument is still hinging on the wrongful conviction point. I don't see how in any other way you are successfully arguing against the death penalty.

[Njugle]

Briefly, the deterrent, or lack of it seems to be a statistical case:

Isaac Ehrlich's study on the deterrent effect of capital punishment in America reveals this. It spans twenty-five years, 1957-1982, and shows that in the first year the study was conducted there were 8,060 murders in 1957 and 65 executions. However, in the last year of the study, there were 22,520 murders committed and 1 execution performed. The absence of deterrence is clearly shown.

 

The death penalty is irrevocable. "In case of a mistake, the executed prisoner cannot be given another chance. Justice can miscarry. In the last hundred years there have been more that 75 documented cases of wrongful conviction of criminal homicide. The death sentence was carried out in eight of these cases"

^....stats, eh? Depends who you ask.

[Njugle]

Here's another i didn't notice before:

The belief that execution costs less than imprisonment is false. "The cost of the apparatus and maintenance of the procedures attending the death penalty, including death row and the endless appeals and legal machinery, far outweighs the expense of maintaining in prison the tiny fraction of criminals who would otherwise be slain"

[Gibber]

 

Briefly, the deterrent, or lack of it seems to be a statistical case:

Isaac Ehrlich's study on the deterrent effect of capital punishment in America reveals this. It spans twenty-five years, 1957-1982, and shows that in the first year the study was conducted there were 8,060 murders in 1957 and 65 executions. However, in the last year of the study, there were 22,520 murders committed and 1 execution performed. The absence of deterrence is clearly shown.

 

 

Doesn't this show that there are more murders committed with less executions? More executions = less murder

 

If 1 execution = 22,520 murders and 65 executions = 8,060 murders we only need to do a simple star sum to work out how many more executions we need to eliminate the murder rate entirely. Assuming a constant correlation.

 

stats eh?

[sheepshagger]

Pretty shady to be told you're gonna be killed and then be told "oopsie daisy..."

 

 

fact when some one is on trial for their life in a democracy the process works no execution before the appeal process has been exhausted.

 

Njuggle I am happy to pay for justice and the cost is more to do with making damn sure they are guilty before they face the drop, I am not happy paying for the killers sky tv, private toilet, education,

It costs 30 times as much to educate a prisoner than it does a normal student (not that you could call students normal, bunch of bloody parasites especially those politics students )

[Lola Boomboom]

In the last hundred years only twice has the USA executed someone who may not have been guilty.

 

That would be Sacco and Vanzetti, August 1927. Non since! Wow.

[sheepshagger]

That would be Sacco and Vanzetti

 

na na boy they were guilty their names should tell you that

[Lola Boomboom]

That would be Sacco and Vanzetti

 

na na boy they were guilty their names should tell you that

ah yes, of course they were!! - immigrants!

[sheepshagger]

maybe even poofs with names lik yun that alone deserves to get them hung, me being a fascist racist homophobic monster

[Guest Anonymous]

yes the sooner we start stringing paedophiles and pychopathss up the better

[Lola Boomboom]

maybe even poofs with names lik yun that alone deserves to get them hung, me being a fascist racist homophobic monster

Benefit of the doubt that humour is intended/attempted here. But this would be a good reason to argue against the death penalty - risk of fascist rascist homophobic monsters in the justice system letting their emotions dictate - as indeed in the case of Sacco and Vanzetti.