Fjool Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 At least the death penalty (albeit morally problematic and fraught with caveats) can be argued to have a function. Torture for vengeance is just nasty beyond words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Tell the parents, children, friends of someone who has been murdered. Im sure most of them would be queing up to make the perpertrator suffer or kill them if they had the chance. I know I would. I allways mind my mam who was the most soft gentle person I know saying that if anyone killed me or my siblings she would kill them. Does this prove its a natural instinct to want to protect your genetic relations or close people in your failmy group? What if you had a child and it was taken by a sadistic pedophile. Tortured, raped and killed. Would it not be natural justice if they, if not tortured at the very least killed. Should it be left to the family to decide instead of a judge if they are found guilty woithout a doubt? Best way to stop a murder doing it again is to get rid of them. I would not say it makes you in the same moral class as the person who commited the murder as its only doing to them what they have done to another as punishment. Society needs to be protected. There actions have brought it on themselves. I for one if it was allowed have someone who murdered one of my family or friends tortured for days on end and then finally killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrutineer Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^^^^i think we're in agreement there also with an increasing prison population it would ease the overcrowding actually, on a serious note - i had to go into prison recently - a site visit for work .....honestly it was a newbuild unopened prison and the cell doors didn't even have locks fitted! but when i walked in and the door slammed shut behind i must admit a shiver ran through me not a nice feeling at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 "Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire." its all fairly simple when put like that ^^ edit: only complication is when you get into a fight about who started it first.. but such is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Saying that then, would you be prepared to administer the torture you are advocating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Tell the parents, children, friends of someone who has been murdered. Im sure most of them would be queing up to make the perpertrator suffer or kill them if they had the chance. I know I would. I allways mind my mam who was the most soft gentle person I know saying that if anyone killed me or my siblings she would kill them. Does this prove its a natural instinct to want to protect your genetic relations or close people in your failmy group? What if you had a child and it was taken by a sadistic pedophile. Tortured, raped and killed. Would it not be natural justice if they, if not tortured at the very least killed. Should it be left to the family to decide instead of a judge if they are found guilty woithout a doubt? Best way to stop a murder doing it again is to get rid of them. I would not say it makes you in the same moral class as the person who commited the murder as its only doing to them what they have done to another as punishment. Society needs to be protected. There actions have brought it on themselves. I for one if it was allowed have someone who murdered one of my family or friends tortured for days on end and then finally killed. So you wouldn't have a problem if a few Iraqis decided to torture Tony Blair to death ? ( After all, the best way to stop politicians launching illegal wars must be to get rid them, society must be protected, and their actions have only brought it on themselves ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Excerpt form George Orwell Essay - A Hanging It was about forty yards to the gallows. I watched the bare brown back of the prisoner marching in front of me. He walked clumsily with his bound arms, but quite steadily, with that bobbing gait of the Indian who never straightens his knees. At each step his muscles slid neatly into place, the lock of hair on his scalp danced up and down, his feet printed themselves on the wet gravel. And once, in spite of the men who gripped him by each shoulder, he stepped slightly aside to avoid a puddle on the path. It is curious, but till that moment I had never realized what it means to destroy a healthy, conscious man. When I saw the prisoner step aside to avoid the puddle, I saw the mystery, the unspeakable wrongness, of cutting a life short when it is in full tide. This man was not dying, he was alive just as we were alive. All the organs of his body were working --bowels digesting food, skin renewing itself, nails growing, tissues forming--all toiling away in solemn foolery. His nails would still be growing when he stood on the drop, when he was falling through the air with a tenth of a second to live. His eyes saw the yellow gravel and the grey walls, and his brain still remembered, foresaw, reasoned--reasoned even about puddles. He and we were a party of men walking together, seeing, hearing, feeling, understanding the same world; and in two minutes, with a sudden snap, one of us would be gone--one mind less, one world less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrutineer Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^^^^^ and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrutineer Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 to quote twerto:""Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire." lets face it if we all lived by those words the world would be a far better place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^ True, but there are still masochists, perverts and kinky folks around who could still impose all sorts of unpleasantness and remain perfectly within the tenet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrutineer Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^ True, but there are still masochists, perverts and kinky folks around who could still impose all sorts of unpleasantness and remain perfectly within the tenet. ah yes i hadn't thought of that - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 killing and torture of anyone is wrongFor serious or repeat sex offenders I would have no problem in seeing it ended in rope, there can be no excuse. With other serious crimes it would be to easy for media and political spin to warp and twist who dies for their own ends and you would be raising the stakes against their willingness to be captured or hand themselves in.What if you had a child and it was taken by a sadistic pedophile. Tortured, raped and killedBut what if said pedo beat the case against him and you took it upon yourself to do the right thing, in the eyes of the law you would now be the one guilty of the murder of the innocent and facing a slow death in the councils torture chamber. These new sweeping laws of yours seem a bit ideologically unsound and have failed to consider every scenario that may find its self at the end of a hangmans noose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^ True, but there are still masochists, perverts and kinky folks around who could still impose all sorts of unpleasantness and remain perfectly within the tenet. Not to mention religious nutters, and even vegetarians, who presumably wouldn't mind banning the eating of meat, since they don't eat it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Saying that then, would you be prepared to administer the torture you are advocating? why would it have to be me.. If i wanted the job i would apply for it like any other job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 ^That's really missing the point. You are the one promoting torture and, as you said, "Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire". Are you prepared to torture people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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