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Should we reintroduce the the death penalty?  

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Styles, Twerto: So you're saying that you're quite ready to contemplate murder because you're not scared enough of prison? :? .

 

so the fact that we think the prisons are easy going means we must be contemplating murder? sorry don't follow the logic there.

 

As far as i am aware i am law abiding because i don't want to end up in jail..

 

so far it would seem there are an average of 139 people in every 100,000 that don't think it is ( thanks Wikipedia )

 

edit: thats not including those who dont get caught.

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so the fact that we think the prisons are easy going means we must be contemplating murder? sorry don't follow the logic there.

You said that you think prisons are too soft and need to be tougher to stop people committing crimes. You give the impression that prison isn't enough of a disincentive to stop people. If you feel that this is the case, then what's to stop you from murdering people? After all, you'd only go to prison. Furthermore, you now say...

As far as i am aware i am law abiding because i don't want to end up in jail..

So you're saying that you wouldn't be law abiding if it wasn't for jail? Ergo, prison is already enough of a deterrent for you.

 

Personally, I'm law abiding because I happen to agree that murdering, stealing, etc are wrong. I also happen to believe that most (not all, obviously) people agree with me on this.

 

so far it would seem there are an average of 139 people in every 100,000 that don't think it is

That would be a whole 0.14% of the population then. Better tighten those thumb-screws; it's obvious that we need more disincentives. :roll:

 

(Btw: How many of those are in prison for serious, violent offences?)

 

Now compare the USA, where some states do have the death penalty. They have almost six times the number of prisoners per head of population. Something not correlating if you just look at the raw figures.

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^^^ Folk I know who have been at prison have no fear about going back except for the boredom.

If it was made far more harsh i think a lot of them would never want to go back.

It is true that recidivism is common, however what's not certain is that harsher prison environments serve to reduce the likelihood that someone reoffends. That article I provided earlier provides some opinions on this. Furthermore, consider the information in Wikipedia's page on recidivism, from which I provide a snippet:

As reported on BBC Radio 4 on 2 September 2005, the recidivism rates for released prisoners in the United States of America is 60% compared with 50% in the United Kingdom but cross-country statistical comparisons are often questionable. The report attributed the lower recidivism rate in the UK to a focus on rehabilitation and education of prisoners compared with the US focus on punishment, deterrence and keeping potentially dangerous individuals away from society.

furthermore

Some observers now view the treatment of recidivism, especially for criminal offenders who are at risk of re-incarceration, as being a mental health issue rather than a "crime" issue for which choice theory based programs may be highly effective.
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so the fact that we think the prisons are easy going means we must be contemplating murder? sorry don't follow the logic there.

You said that you think prisons are too soft and need to be tougher to stop people committing crimes. You give the impression that prison isn't enough of a disincentive to stop people. If you feel that this is the case, then what's to stop you from murdering people? After all, you'd only go to prison.

 

since your adding more than I'm saying.. you could use the same reasoning from what you said in the legalization of drugs thread.. that your a wanna be heroin addict.

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How about they go back to the 1700s and let them sleep on a cold stone floor, some bread and water once a week, lots of rats, running around and other infestations, bed bugs etc. No pool tables, Tv, any outside contact with family ad so on. Or working down a coal mine (Not ever taking back up again) 24 hours a day 7days a week with no days off. Make them as miserable as possible do there head in so to speak.

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do there head in so to speak

You could write to them I suppose. :wink:

 

 

water once a week

 

erm.........

Never mind, cant be bothered typing it out.

 

 

If my last post, has done your head in. Then maybe you need some days in the jail for a few days to sort your self out. Ps don’t bend over in the showers now wont you, that are a good chap?

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Do my head in? why Para, I could sit up all night browsing the wisdom of yer postings. :wink:

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Although I dont know if I'm ready to start swapping spit in the shower with you. In what block do they house you? so I can mind to mind my step if I land up there.

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since your adding more than I'm saying.. you could use the same reasoning from what you said in the legalization of drugs thread.. that your a wanna be heroin addict.

:roll:

That's quite a leap indeed.

 

Basically, where I think this debate has gone wrong is at my attempt to demonstrate that you don't murder folks and steal their stuff is not because of the punishment, but because of your own internal, moral compass. I used a reductio ad absurdum argument (which you quoted above) to demonstrate that your prior logic was skewed (go back over it with an honest mindset and you'll see why). Rather than concede that this is a valid point, however, you've taken it as some kind of personal attack. Apologies if I wasn't clear enough originally, but the point is sound, even if badly worded.

 

It is precisely my point that ones opinion of the severity of the punishment isn't as closely linked to the likelihood that one will commit a crime as you seem to be suggesting that it is. Thinking prisons are soft doesn't make one a murderer; contrarywise, thinking prisons are tough doesn't stop a murderer acting on their desires.

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