Commodore Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Commodore I put thistle in the list as the thistle rep said it was still in the balance and for the purposes of the fixtures it would be easier to take you out than put you back in. i see well as far as us players are aware we are not having a B team thats what we have been told for months now cause we dont have enough players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 This is crazy for the ref's to ask for this amount of money.Are they doing it for the pay? They must be. They should be ashamed to ask unst for 60 quid for a game. It discrimination against people who live in the outer parts of this isle you don't hear Unst, Yell or Whalsay complain about ferry fair's, distance travelled time away from home. Its all just part of being involved in and doing something you enjoy. Its part in parcel of what sports people have to do at any level in shetland. If you don't enjoy it or don't want to be part of it don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 ^^ If there are no referees then there will be no football. I don't think you've much option, unless of course you are willing to do it yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISTnWAST Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Once again Frankie is with me, in trying to be the voice of reason when talking about referees. I don't know why some of you idiots haven't taken your vitriol over to the referees thread. It's people like you who have made match fees so high. The lack of respect shown for referees at all levels has caused this situation. Recruitment of refs is so difficult, that financial incentives is the only way to entice people to become a qualified official. The shortage of refs has also made their value go up. It's simple economics - supply & demand.When I qualifed as a ref in about 2000, the basic fee was £12. That was for officiating on the Scottish mainland, at a standard comparable with the B league. I enjoyed being Assistant Referee for some very good refs. However, when I was the man in the middle, I didn't appreciate being told to **** off 20 times in a game. The final straw came when the local police force team were playing, and one of the opposition decided it was a good opportunity to punch a policeman. Not really worth 12 quid plus 16p a mile or whatever it was. I do know the standard of Shetland's referees is not what it should/could be, but you can't blame them for asking for parity with the rest of the country. One of our only decent referees retired because he wasn't willing to put up with the abuse any longer. So for those of you who think £28 is too much, remember this - Everytime you shout abuse at a referee, YOU are responsible for the inflated fees we must pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I'am sure that ref in question ever did it for the money I would think that he enjoyed doing it or else he would never have carried on for so long. Football has changed and referee's do put up with some terrible abusive behaviour. You see it week in week out on the TV from all the big stars, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard & Lee Mair you don't have to lip read to know what they are saying. What do the ref's do most of them let them have there rant then get on with the game it has all become part of the game. Up hear you look at a ref the wrong way after a decision and you are booked. Yes football need referee's but I feel the football club's are being held to ransom over extra cash which is not a good thing.Will this become an annual rise in money maybe in line with inflation?I feel they should do it because they enjoy it and want to do it to put something into Shetland football and be proud of it.Not because its a quick easy way to make a buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I'am sure that ref in question ever did it for the money I would think that he enjoyed doing it or else he would never have carried on for so long. Football has changed and referee's do put up with some terrible abusive behaviour. You see it week in week out on the TV from all the big stars, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard & Lee Mair you don't have to lip read to know what they are saying. What do the ref's do most of them let them have there rant then get on with the game it has all become part of the game. Up hear you look at a ref the wrong way after a decision and you are booked. Yes football need referee's but I feel the football club's are being held to ransom over extra cash which is not a good thing.Will this become an annual rise in money maybe in line with inflation?I feel they should do it because they enjoy it and want to do it to put something into Shetland football and be proud of it.Not because its a quick easy way to make a buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penfold Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I understand that there is a cost involved with the referee's EistnWast, and I have a lot of respect for anyone who will take the job, but what I feel aggrieved at is that there are only certain referee's that will officate outside the town or the central mainland, I don't feel that the ones who won't ref outside the central mainland should get an increase, but I would support the rise to the referee's who do support the game Shetland wide. On the subject of referee's getting so much abuse that they leave the game, I was going to bring up the idea at the Ness Utd AGm of introducing a fine for players in the senior teams who were booked for dissent or sent off for using foul and abusive language, I was wondering where the club could find a use for the fines but I think we could use them to go towards the increase in fee's for the refs if they go ahead. Currently Ness Utd asks players for a £3 sub at each game, if the new charges go ahead then depending on where the referee's point of residence is the fee could be as much £50, we would need to put the sub up to £4 per game and if the player plays 2 games a week minimum and four weeks each month on average he will be shelling out £32 a month, the same costs and travel issue's apply to him as well as the ref but I am not hearing the players asking me for a bus to be laid on free or expense's from the club towards their travel. Referee's on the whole do a good job, I just feel that a decision like this should have had more time to be discussed, the timing of it has left a lot of clubs felling like they are being held to ransom and that will only cause more ill feeling and arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I don't know why some of you idiots haven't taken your vitriol over to the referees thread. It's people like you who have made match fees so high. The thing that i am not sure about is the fact that, if this happens, TEams like Whalsa, Unst, YEll and Ness will be the ones who suffer, as they will have to pay alt more for the referees than teams from the toon etc will need to pay as most of the referees wil be based in the cenntral mainland . This is not fair on the clubs in question (who put in the most effort to play in the A league). Surely there should be an equal fe for all the clubs of say £30, imean thats not bad for a few hours work!!!! What happens to the junior teams, surely refs cant ask for £50 toreferee an U16 game in Yell or Unst. Its not the players or teams fault where they live and they shouldnot be penalised for it by the sheer greed of the referees who ar just trying to exploit the fact that they are needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Currently Ness Utd asks players for a £3 sub at each game, if the new charges go ahead then depending on where the referee's point of residence is the fee could be as much £50, we would need to put the sub up to £4 per game and if the player plays 2 games a week minimum and four weeks each month on average he will be shelling out £32 a month, the same costs and travel issue's apply to him as well as the ref but I am not hearing the players asking me for a bus to be laid on free or expense's from the club towards their travel. I don't think £4 a game for seniors is too much. It costs £5.60 for an hours squash or badminton at Clickimin. The Sandwick badminton team charges each player £5 a match to cover hall hire and shuttles. We have to travel to Unst, Yell, Whalsay and Brae too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 All very well if you can afford it Frankie, it would be a pity to see players not playing just due to finances!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 ^^ It's less than the price of 2 pints in the SSC !! So I suppose it depends where your priorities lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoichkov Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I think a standard fee would be the best option. £25 or £30 whatever. If a ref signs up to officiate in Shetland they should be prepared to travel to wherever. £30 could surely be enough to get a ref to travel anywhere in Shetland. Will any trip be more than 5 hours total? As long as the fixtures were evenly distributed amongst refs so that certain ones didn't have to travel long distances all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 ^^^^^^^^^^^ exactlywhy should the outer lying teams be foced to pay ore, i would say that it is a form of discrimination an exploitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Could the Shetland Football Association not work out how many games are going to be played and set clubs' subscription/affiliation fees accordingly taking into account prospective mileage claims? And then divide the total pro-rata amongst all the clubs i.e. if you've been knocked out in the first round of every cup, you'll have had fewer games and thus less call on referees. Then the SFA could do the actual handing over of the the cash to referees? As an idea it needs tweaking, but it would ensure the remoter clubs aren't being hammered for being where they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISTnWAST Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Are all the refs in Shetland living in Lerwick? Is a ref living in Yell allowed to ref a game which Yell are playing in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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