Peak Oil Production & the journey down to empty?

[Guest Anonymous]

WHAS BOB DOLE ? I thought it was Al Gore wis da guy wha flies aroond the world on jet planes tellin wis ta burn less oil, which we should be doing if only ta mak it last a bit langer.

[sheepshagger]

bob dole al gore baith loud mouth yanks easy ta confuse so appologies for slanderin de bob but du's still a tosser.

well droilker I likly ken mair dan da delivery boy.

I'm testing wells noo dat are much da sem as da wans I wis testing 20 years ago, an I'm a hell o a lot busier noo.

consumption has increased but we also mak better use o it (wir gettin mair for da gallon).

A percieved shortage drives da price higher so da oil companies benifit fae dis. just look at da diamond trade to see how dis works. reserves are a lot higher dan is let on so I recon it will see my life out. It is a finite resource an it will run oot sometime. but I doubt if onybody actually kens when

whits coming efter oil well da yanks hae massive coal reserves dae dinna use dem cause it is cheaper ta buy oil. whin dae do start den du'll see pollution or maybe da LA smog his toght dem a lesson dae did manage ta clean yun up efter aa. An I'm no even mentioned methane dats on da deep ocean floor da japs ir got a hell o a lot o it aff dir coast so do we. very expensive to recover but prices are aa relitive.

An environmentalists havna a bloody clue, some idiot claimed DDT was carcenogenic not a position backed up by science an da green lobby jamp up an doon screamin an greetin an forced da US into sayin ony country dat used it widna recieve aid fae dem, malaria now kills millions every year in da 3rd world but de an me can pop doon ta boots an buy it be da litre, an da stuff dat dae use noo well I widna get within a mile o it. way ta go wwfn

CFCs wir banned an noo a hell o a lot mair folk in da 3rd world die o food poisning cause dae canna afford to refrigerate dir food. nice wan greenpeace.

Da greens ir a hell o a good at complainin but do dae tink o da consequeses o dir actions or do dae even care.

An if du needs anidder example o environmentalists makin a pigs ear o it look at yellowstone park dae killed da wolves ta stop dem killin da deer, an telt da injuns dae coodna eat deer, da deer population exploded dae foot-sucked da trees da beavers coodna build dir dams an water wis soon brally scarce an aathing deer included wis foot-sucked. aa ta save peerie bambi. damn dis lot are good.

To sum up necessity is da midder o invention an I'll pit me money on industry comin up we a solution lang afore da environMENTALists.

[DeMascus]

Can you please supply some sources for your arguments because it is becoming very difficult to believe some of them for example; a lot more people in the third world are getting food poisoning because they can't afford a fridge to refrigerate their food in, and this is because of the ban on CFCs! This is a new one on me, how many people in the third world have fridges or ever did, and how many even have electricity?

 

Also per capita petroleum production peaked in 1979{1}, I understand you work in the industry, but please explain why oil companies would underestimate the amount of oil they have?

 

Dr Campbell, is a former chief geologist and vice-president at a string of oil majors including BP, Shell, Fina, Exxon and ChevronTexaco. He explains that the peak of regular oil - the cheap and easy to extract stuff - has already come and gone in 2005. Even when you factor in the more difficult to extract heavy oil, deep sea reserves, polar regions and liquid taken from gas, the peak will come as soon as 2011, he says.

....

In 1999, Britain's oil reserves in the North Sea peaked, but for two years after this became apparent, Mr Leggett claims, it was heresy for anyone in official circles to say so. "Not meeting demand is not an option. In fact, it is an act of treason," he says.

{World oil supplies... - The Independent}

 

Necessity may well be the mother of invention, but with the possibility of a world war for control of natural resources and irreparable damage to the worlds ecosystem, that could end up in the death of a large proportion of the population; I'd rather not get that close to necessity.

[sheepshagger]

well deMascus du uses a screen name But I spent 3 years livin an working in Damascus. 2 years in north africa an aboot da sem in sub saharan africa an da rest o me life has been spent in many differant places 3rd an 1st world, I'm in africa now. A lot o what i say comes fae personel experiance in da real world not fae da internet. some things Ive read some first hand experience. lik I said earlier if du wants links tae things du'll hae ta wait till I'm hom in da aald rock. now get back ta da harry potter book du wis readin or get aff de muckle sphincter get oot inta da world dat du cares sae much aboot and live it for real an when du's experianced it for de'sel spik ta me aboot whit du's fun oot

[Roachmill]

And DeMascus deserved the above condescending BS for what... pulling you up on some very questionable statements?

[sheepshagger]

quote fae DeMascus "This is a new one on me, how many people in the third world have fridges or ever did, and how many even have electricity?"

 

Dae a live in grass huts eh, and I'm being condesending.

 

It wis me co-workers dat took great offence we his statement.

there are twa expats on this job da rest ir aa fae africa, dae a hae electric at hom an dae a hae fridges. most o dem are ancient lec's even da better paid eens canna afford a new fridge an dir no allowed ta buy wan we CFC's.

so I will stand by me earlier statement.

 

da media an others wid lik wis aa tae tink dat da 3rd world live in grass huts an cerry spears, wharas da truth o it is dae live in cities an hae electric even if it is a tad unreliable.

so DeMascus if du wid lik ta tak da opertunity tae mak an apology I will pass it on. an i mite even explain dat no every body reads harry bloody potter

[Medziotojas]

Africa's a big continent!

 

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20069

 

 

New Energy Technology Could Bring Electric Power to Third World

 

 

Written By: Paul Driessen

Published In: Environment News

Publication Date: November 1, 2006

Publisher: The Heartland Institute

 

 

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"The only good thing about the good old days is that they're gone."

 

My grandmother's wisdom came from experience. As a teenager in late nineteenth century Wisconsin, she had cleared tons of rocks from fields and hauled countless buckets of water on the family farm. If she had to select just one modern technology, she said, she'd choose running water. But electricity was a close second.

 

No wonder. Without electricity, modern life reverts to her childhood: no lights, refrigeration, heating, air conditioning, radio, television, computers, safe running water, or mechanized equipment for homes, schools, shops, hospitals, offices, and factories.

 

 

Billions Live in Darkness

 

Incredibly, this is what life is still like every day for 2 billion people in developing countries. Viewed at night from outer space, Africa really is the Dark Continent: only 10 percent of its 700 million people regularly have electricity. While 75 percent of South Africa is now fully electrified, only 5 percent of Malawi, Mozambique, and other African countries are so fortunate.

 

Much of poor and rural Asia and Latin America is in a similar predicament.

 

Instead of rolling blackouts, neighborhoods have rolling power in most of Africa. "In the western part of my country, families get electricity maybe three hours every two weeks," said Pastor Abdul Sesay, a Sierra Leone native who now resides in Maryland. "Eastern communities get it maybe once a month."

 

Instead of turning on a light or stove, millions of women and children spend their days gathering wood, grass, and dung to burn in primitive hearths for cooking and heating. Instead of turning a faucet, they spend hours carrying water from distant lakes and rivers that are often contaminated with bacteria.

[Roachmill]

Dae a live in grass huts eh, and I'm being condesending.

Besides the cost of electrical goods there's also the fact that, in a lot of places that do hae electricity as you say, it's off more than it's on - even in capital cities. So, in the case of fridges, it's a waste of time and money having one. Besides... in cases where folk aren't in a well paying job they're buying food on a day by day basis (and fags on a smoke by smoke basis) the need for a fridge is rather excessive. Keeping ants off yer grub is more important than keeping it cool.

 

IIRC you're working in oil SS. So me thinks the Africans you're working wi will be earning more than the average, can afford to live in better houses / compounds and enjoy a better quality than the vast majority. Like Medziotojas said... "Africa's a big continent!".

[DeMascus]

I really didn't mean to cause any offense with the questions regarding access to electricity, and apologise from me to your colleges if they took it as being condesending because it really wasn't intentional.

 

Currently it is estimated that 2.4 billion people don't have access to modern fuel products and 1.6 billion, about 25%, of the worlds population have no access to electricity. I had recently read these figures and balancing these against what you said it just didn't ring true. That is why asked the questions regarding access to electricity.

 

My questioning of your statement is quite different from the type of personal insult that you directed at me. Which essentially made little effort to address the questions, and more to belittle my position.

 

I understand from your post that you do have a lot of valuable experience and I'm sure most people here you like to hear it, but you have to be careful with the way you discuss subjects, because it will only detract from the knowledge you have. I don't particularly care for an apology, and I am going to stop now.

[Guest Anonymous]

There is only when reason why so many africans live in abject poverty and its the corruption within and there inability manage there own affairs .

I have met some fine africans out there - good people , and if managed properly it would be the richest nation on earth as it is loaded with natural resources & minerals of every kind.

[sheepshagger]

Ok den I'm spent time in Moczambique working in some very remote areas no mains electric, but dis dusna mean nae electric. I still managed ta get a cold beer fae a girse hut, and an itermittent supply dusna mean nae point in haein a fridge a full fridge will maintain its temprature for a fair while due to a simple peerie thing called insulation. I try to keep mine topped up we beer joost in case o a power cut. dere used to be a big trade in second hand fridges fae europe ta africa now we hae fridge mountains, WHY? we canna cope we a da fridges dat wir chukin awa, an we canna joost dump dem, so dae lie aroond leakin CFC's whar as we could still be sendin dem tae africa an dae will fix dem up an keep dem runnin for a bloody site langer dan we could so nae CFC's escaping for a while den.

A hell o a lot o folk dinna buy food on a day to day basis as quite simply dae dinna buy food of aa but dae will slaughter a goat sheep etc an this will hae ta be used afore it gaens aff which in da liks o moczambique is braaly quick.

shetland viewed at nite fae ooterspace is braaly bloody dark an last time I wis hame we hid mains electric. den again it wis likly cloody yun nite

whin dir is a limited supply o electric folk tend ta sleep when it gets dark an dae dinna waste leccy on something as trivial as lite.yet again dis comes fae experience sittin ootside a girse hut drinkin cold beer fae da fridge we a tilly lamp on da table

But lets get back ta environmentalist an dir tame "scientists" ability ta be impartial.

greenpeace and da lik using scientific methods (which i'm been telt on here are irrifutable) are tellin wis dat fish stocks in da nort sea are on da point o collapse dae hae scientists coming up we aa kinds o figures ta prove dis. noo lets gaen doon ta da pier an ask da fishermen joost how few cod dir is, wan quote I'll gee is dir is mair cod noo dan is been seen in 40 year at da fishing. pop oot ta scallowaa an tell leslie he's wrang an da scientists are rite. I'm sure he'll disagree we de. wir fishermen are being hounded be da sem bunch o idiots dat are tellin wis wir killin da planet. now we ken dir wrong in relation to da fishin but du still wants ta tak dem at dir wird on da environment.

Ta me dis is a no brainer, we should be quetioning not only dir figures but dir honesty an dir motives

[MuckleJoannie]

But lets get back ta environmentalist an dir tame "scientists" ability ta be impartial.

greenpeace and da lik using scientific methods (which i'm been telt on here are irrifutable) are tellin wis dat fish stocks in da nort sea are on da point o collapse dae hae scientists coming up we aa kinds o figures ta prove dis. noo lets gaen doon ta da pier an ask da fishermen joost how few cod dir is, wan quote I'll gee is dir is mair cod noo dan is been seen in 40 year at da fishing. pop oot ta scallowaa an tell leslie he's wrang an da scientists are rite. I'm sure he'll disagree we de. wir fishermen are being hounded be da sem bunch o idiots dat are tellin wis wir killin da planet. now we ken dir wrong in relation to da fishin but du still wants ta tak dem at dir wird on da environment.

Ta me dis is a no brainer, we should be quetioning not only dir figures but dir honesty an dir motives

 

I mind being told by a Shetland fisherman who was on a research boat for a while that was after cod that it was no wonder that they thought there was none. They would tow for half an hour before hailing the net. His experience was that you neede to follow a shoal of cod for several hours until they got tired and slowed down. He queried thios with the scientists on board and was told this was the way they had operated for many years and if they changed now it would invalidate their results.

[sheepshagger]

So da wye o it we da scientists is dir been daein it da wrang wye fir years so dae will keep daein it da wrang wye It seems ta me da results are braaly invalid onywye. an dis is da folk advisin da government. nae bloody winder it gaen ta hell in a handcart.

but dis is on da scotia i suppose, da researchers fae aberdeen also gaen oot on real fishin boats an surely dae are seein whits comin up in da cod end, but is dis info being acted upon or ignored.

[Guest Anonymous]

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Personally i think i will go back to sea under sail and become a free booter , going to look on e-bay now for a jolly roger flag to hoist.

[ArabiaTerra]

Perhaps some of you out there have already seen this "http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net " I would thouroughly reccomend it and especially to sheepshagger , that charming old chestnut .

Just read it.

 

We're f*cked!