Rasmie Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I detest the word Sheltie, be it applied to fok,dugs or peerie horses. I think it is a near derogotary term and infact ignorant and incorrectfrom the English habit of shortening names. What does the team think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I dont really like it either but wont stop anyone useing it if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 fae da Oxford English dictionary: - sheltie (also shelty) n. (pl. shelties) a Shetland pony or sheepdog-ORIGIN C:17 prob. representing an Orkney pronounc. of ON Hjalti 'Shetlander' So dat's whit wir Scandanavian freends ca'd wis 300 yrs ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I think it's no more offensive (and probably less worthy of comment) than the terms Scouser, Cockney and Brummy. Nothing worth getting wound up over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 to be honst i don't think sheltie sounds right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Neither me; but it's not worth getting annoyed at either. Also what would an alternative be? Shetlie? Shetlander? Shet?All sound dodgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 no it dusna really bother me. other terms could be SHETLANDIC???SHETTY???hahai dunaa keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 to be honst i don't think sheltie sounds right?? Agreed! if it wis Hjalti I tink dat wid soond better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Loathe it! It's equally as annoying as "Shetlands". That said, I won't be losing sleep over it, folk will use whatever name they see fit, and there's not much anyone can do about that.... It smacks of outsiders and or/the ignorant unwilling to "lower" themselves to using the widespread and "common" term, so making up a new one for themselves though.... It's "Shetlin", be it peerie dugs, peerie horsis or onything else, what's wrong with using it? "Shetlie" is no shorter, and more of a mouthful, and "Shetlands" is obviously longer than "Shetland", and much longer than "Shetlin", it's making wark for themselves coming up with such un-necessary and pointless terms. If it has to be shortened, I could live happily with "Hjalti" though. ^^^ Soapbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 It smacks of outsiders and or/the ignorant unwilling to "lower" themselves to using the widespread and "common" termOr perhaps being criticised for attempting to use it...? Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humptygrumpty Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 It doesnt bother me really , but why is it okay to call a norwegian a Norski and some one from Dennmark a dane , Sweden - swede ect ect..... but call someone from pakistan a Pakistani and theres hell to pay ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlady Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 but call someone from pakistan a Pakistani and theres hell to pay ? Probably because it's a "general" term, even if you stay close to a region it can feel like a violation to be generalised How would you feel if someone called you an ......ORCADIAN ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humptygrumpty Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 How would you feel if someone called you an ......ORCADIAN ... Been called worse I can assure ya Hmm Cant say it would bother me really. And you could argue that any of the names I pointed out could be classed as general. Personally I think its just another witless example of the pc brigade. I mean its not like the N word , its just basically shortning thier countrys name or fiddling about with it. I suppose its all in the context of how it was delivered. Imagine if you will a pakistani in London saying " look at that f*****g Cockney" ! , Then look at the cockney saying "Look at that f*****g Pakistani !I think there would be a huge outcry about the later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 The word has been heavily used in racist attacks in the past and that's where it's taken on a more sinister meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 ^^^ It's travelling in ever decreasing circles though, the problem isn't necessarily the specific word, but the perceived meaning behind it. "Pakistani" has negative connotations to persons of Pakistan origins, due to it being used in racist situations. So what do we have to call then now, so as not to hurt their feelings? Pakistanis? Asians? And what will happen if either of those get used in racist situations, will they be "banned" too? They're heading down the same road as the American Negroes, N***** got put off limits, they became "Blacks", that had to go too and it became "Black Americans", now that's as bad as all the previous, and only "African Americans" will do. The "Red Indians" of my childhood have been a bad word for a while, "Indian" was unacceptable, they were "Native Americans", now as hard core can't deal with that either, they have to be "First Nation". What happens when you run out of words/terms which are acceptable to the people concerned, don't the rest of us have some rights to continuity and not having to rack your brains every time to try and make sure you're using the "current" term when referring to these people. Very, very few words in their own right are exclusively racist or exclusively negative to a particular ethnicity/regional people, but many words can be used in racist and/or negative contexts. Seems to me people who complain in this way, have an inferiority complex/chip on their shoulder they'd be wise to lose. Instead of whining and attempting to continually change everyone else's vocabularly, which if anything will only increase racism through resentment, there's a need to accept certain words exist, and probably always will, which in the past have been used in racist/negative contexts against them, but those same words are perfectly capable of being used in a positive and friendly context as well. By all means, they have a right to go after folk who make racist and negative comments, and good luck to them kicking their ass, but the racism and negativity has next to nothing to do with any one specific word, and everything to do with how, when and where it is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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