Birds, animals and idder beasties

[DePooperit]

Can you still git Bobby Tulloch's beuk on Shaetlan birds? He haes aa da Shaetlan naems.

 

Trønder - most Shetland bird names are indeed Norn.

 

Gõs indeed means 'goose' - the form is, however, Scots rather than Norn, the 'ui' (I would spell it 'guis') being the regular Scots reflex of English 'oo'.

 

Kye is plural, the singular is Coo. Again a Scots form, although even in the strong Scots-speaking area where I live the plural form has died out, and even the 'broadest' Scots speakers say 'coos'. An example of how Shaetlan sometimes preserves (or preserved for slightly longer) Scots forms which died out earlier on Mainland Scotland.

[Trønder]

Kye is plural, the singular is Coo. Again a Scots form, although even in the strong Scots-speaking area where I live the plural form has died out, and even the 'broadest' Scots speakers say 'coos'.

Could it be Old Norwegian influence on Scots then? "Coo" and "kye" looks a lot like "ku" and "kyr".

[G eorge]

(...) shalder = oyster catcher (...)

Shalder, like Chalder, Chaldrick, Sheldor, seems to be rather similar to the faroese Tjaldur.

There is a well known faroese poem of Guðrið Helmsdal about the Tjaldur (oystercatcher), who is a "national" bird on the Faroes bringing back the spring every year (march, 12th).

__________________

 

MORGUN Ã MARS

 

Morgun

í mars

 

Hjartað:

eitt tjaldur

 

Flýgur

til tín

__________________

 

(Morning

in march

 

My heart:

an oystercatcher

 

is flying

to you)

 

It is nearly impossible to translate this poem into proper German or English, because "Austernfischer" or "Oystercatcher" may be correct for bird watchers, but is not able to transport the romantic sense.

I'd like to ask, if the "Shalder" has a similar meaning for the Shetlands as the Tjaldur for the Faroes?

And if so, how would this poem sound in "Shetlan wird"?

[Pooks]

A rough direct translation wid be:-

 

Mornin'

in Mairch

 

My Hert:

a Shalder

 

Is fleein'

tae dee

[Trønder]

I'd like to ask, if the "Shalder" has a similar meaning for the Shetlands as the Tjaldur for the Faroes?

I cant comment on that, but the sound of that bird always brings me back to the childhood summer holidays at my grandparents.

[MJ]

Kye is plural, the singular is Coo. Again a Scots form, although even in the strong Scots-speaking area where I live the plural form has died out, and even the 'broadest' Scots speakers say 'coos'.

Kye still used in lower deeside, no that there's many locals left farming.

[Heimdal]

I'd like to ask, if the "Shalder" has a similar meaning for the Shetlands as the Tjaldur for the Faroes?

I cant comment on that, but the sound of that bird always brings me back to the childhood summer holidays at my grandparents.

 

I don't think we look to the shalder as a harbinger of spring but we do look forward to the tirricks coming back as a sign of summer.

 

tirrick = Arctic tern. There are a few shalders in Shetland all winter nowadays, noteably at Clickimin.

[G eorge]

Thank you for your comments.

 

A rough direct translation wid be:-

 

Mornin'

in Mairch

 

My Hert:

a Shalder

 

Is fleein'

tae dee

Thank you, I am very happy to get this text!

In the frisian dialects on our german coasts the name for oystercatcher is close to the word for love. A north-frisian version (Isle of Föhr) would be:

 

Maarnem

uun a marts

 

At hart

en liiw

 

flocht

tu di

 

There are a few shalders in Shetland all winter nowadays, noteably at Clickimin.

Most of your local shalders have there winter-holidays in southern British coasts. Some stay at home, as do some of the icelandic and some of the faroese. There is indeed a special name for the faroese winter-tjøldur: "vetrartjaldur".

(On our german coasts we have a winter holidays meeting of norwegian and russian oystercathers.)

 

The special faroese status of the tjaldur depends not only on romantics but on the historical identification of the faroese national movement with this brave bird. They had indeed an inofficial national flag, the "tjaldursflag". The St.Gregor's Day (grækarismessa/return of tjøldur/12.3.) is celebrated since 1943.

[Pooks]

I suppose the translation could very well be 'flocht' instead of 'fleein'.

[Mag]

lintie,?

I tink lintie = twite

[Njugle]

^Also from same post:

Alamootie = storm petrel (i tink).

 

And a plucker is a scorpion fish (no sure o specific naem, but right species).

http://www.scubatravel.co.uk/scorpion.html

[Medziotojas]

Whaur's da delete option?

 

Okay den, gruntipig--hedgehog.

 

I wantit' tae anwser Nugle's post, bit den I noteeced I wis spaekin sharn. We ken plucker is a scorpion fish, bit der's mibbe mair as wan variashun o' dem.

[Njugle]

well, ah'm joost hael o a blyde dat we agree aboot dat den.

 

[Medziotojas]

A'll laeve you wi cockaloorie. If a'm no mistaen it's a daisy. I need tae bide clear o' dis new fangled wye o' spaekin' whin a'm wirkin' da aishins...

[G eorge]

I refer to the thread "Nynorsk and Norwegian Language Policy":

I am using an European Dictionary of Common Names of Animals; Mammals and Birds with Germanic languages on

http://www.informatika.bf.uni-lj.si/magus-germanic.html

to compare the Shetlandic version with their relatives.

May I ask the native speakers which Norwegian language version is used in this dictionary?