Roachmill Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 funny how it took a white man (eminem) to do a half way decent job of itWho? Eh? What? Eminem may have been discovered and signed by Dr. Dre (of N.W.A. fame i.e. actual ganster rap) but that's as close to anything remotely gangster about Mr. Mathers hip-pop music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I get the impression, despite his upbringing, that Eminems raps are similar to what would come out of a rich white boy rapper. I turn you to these lyrics by a good band, Toupe "Mommy! Mommy never beat him,Daddy! Daddy never ****ed him!LIES! Lies sell the recordshucks! Is on the record!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 ... I think you'd find it harder to make the above distinction between the poems and certain gangsta rap lyrics, which do appear to celebrate the shooting of policemen, other rappers, "bitches", and anybody else who happens to be around. Again, I can't claim to understand the music, but, assuming they do encourage shooting people, do you think that they should be allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Regarding the "cool" thing. I agree with you DamnSaxon, but when I was a teenager the rebellion thing never got beyond a bit of dope smoking, skyving school, graffiti, that sort of thing. Beheading fantasies are something slightly more worrying I'm sure you'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 ... I think you'd find it harder to make the above distinction between the poems and certain gangsta rap lyrics, which do appear to celebrate the shooting of policemen, other rappers, "bitches", and anybody else who happens to be around. Again, I can't claim to understand the music, but, assuming they do encourage shooting people, do you think that they should be allowed? Short answer: yes. I'm sure the world could struggle on without gangsta rap, but once you've banned NWA's Straight Outta Compton, it's a very small step to banning American Psycho ( sexual violence ), and the Merchant of Venice ( anti-Semitism ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 ^^^ If these things promote sexual violence and anti-semitism then what is the problem? Couldn't the world "struggle on" without them? Wouldn't it be a better place without them? I'd like to encourage everyone, the next time they see Evil Inky in non-cyber space, to hit him over the head with a stick! It'll be really funny, and do him the world of good. Or, I could "encourage" a hitman to "take-you-out-proper-like" with a wod of cash. What is the difference? Direct instruction as opposed to glamorisation? That doesn't cut it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 ^^^ If these things promote sexual violence and anti-semitism then what is the problem? Couldn't the world "struggle on" without them? Wouldn't it be a better place without them?Are you seriously suggesting we ban The Merchant of Venice ( as in the play by William Shakespeare ) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 I know Shakespeare only marginally better than I know Cannibal Corpse, so I couldn't tell you if anti-semitism is promoted in it in the same way as infidel murder is promoted by these lyrics. Surely you are not saying anti-semitism is OK, so I assume there is some difference. The gangster rap comparison was, I think, about the best so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamnSaxon Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Regarding the "cool" thing. I agree with you DamnSaxon, but when I was a teenager the rebellion thing never got beyond a bit of dope smoking, skyving school, graffiti, that sort of thing. Beheading fantasies are something slightly more worrying I'm sure you'll agree. Darn tootin' right. (Pun intended.) I've no problem with people having a bit of fun among themselves, but where this lot differ from our generation is that we used to try to avoid f*cking it up for other people. But I still think that governmental "promotion" raises its status & appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7113186.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 This is quite interesting too (half an hours worth): http://doughty.gdbtv.com/player.php?h=05d4c71ddc2f70ec3093e94e9777c83f Tryl himself is on it and talks a lot of sense. They get onto the "incite" laws, which I think is at the centre of it. I'd phrase the law "incitement to illegal violence". I'm no lawyer but I think libel laws would cover everything else I'm concerned about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted December 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 So, she gets a 9 month suspended sentence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7130495.stm I still think she should never have been prosecuted. The thought police are here. Guard your minds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 (** MOD EDIT ** Perhaps you want to step back and think about what you're writing?!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Now where are those thought police? Sheepshagger is starting to express terrorist thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Never encouraged anybody to do it just said I would take pleasure from watching it being done to her. I think it would of got by the law but not the CENSORS eh.nothing terrorist in my statement mag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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