Evil Inky Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Never encouraged anybody to do it just said I would take pleasure from watching it being done to her. I think it would of got by the law but not the CENSORS eh.nothing terrorist in my statement mag If she'd made exactly the same comment about you, I suspect you would describe it as a terrorist statement. Aren't double standards wonderful ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 The girl in question wanted to behead folks that did not follow her religion,not even folks that disagreed with her religion, anyone that did not follow her religion. now if I was advocating the killing of folks because they were not athiests like myself then I would be inclined to agree with you inky and double standards would be a reasonable accusation to throw at me. She is the one that wants folks beheaded she is the one that takes great pleasure in watching folks being beheaded all because they don't follow her religion. whereas i would find it most amusing if the fate she wants to bestow on others is the very fate that should befall her. hardly a terrorist sentiment, but ofcourse you may disagree with me just be carefull not to disagree with her and her like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 ^^You're not bitter and twisted then. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 The girl in question wanted to behead folks that did not follow her religion,not even folks that disagreed with her religion, anyone that did not follow her religion. now if I was advocating the killing of folks because they were not athiests like myself then I would be inclined to agree with you inky and double standards would be a reasonable accusation to throw at me.So calling for people's heads to be sawn off with a rusty knife is barbaric, but it's fine and dandy when the victim has said something that Mr Shagger disapproves of ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Evil Inky wrote So calling for people's heads to be sawn off with a rusty knife is barbaric, but it's fine and dandy when the victim has said something that Mr Shagger disapproves of ? "Poetic justice" is a phrase you may not be familiar with E.I. but if you take the time to read what was writen you may get the idea eventually sheepshagger wrote whereas i would find it most amusing if the fate she wants to bestow on others is the very fate that should befall her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 ^^Sounds like a double standard to me - simply by your inclusion of "i would find it most amusing" i.e. you, personally, would take pleasure seeing her dead because she wishes that on others. Poetic justice typically includes elements of morality as well as irony sheepshagger e.g. "It would server her right if the fate she wants to bestow on others is the very fate that should befall her". If you take the time to read what you wrote you may get the idea eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Could we lose the pedantic bickering that seems to be cropping up all to often on these forums? If someone spews a load of offensive vomit over a thread, ignore it and let the mods clean it up, after all, that's their job. To get back on thread... There are many people in this country whose views or beliefs I find distasteful. What worries me about this case is that this woman was prosecuted for writing poems, owning books and believing in something. Surely, if this was a truly free country, none of these things would be any of the establishments business. The really worrying thing is that this is part of a trend. The "Nat West three", accountants, accused of something to do with Enron in America were extradited under Anti-terror legislation, this woman is prosecuted for what she thinks and the Government seems hell-bent on forcing through an increase in the time you can be held without charge despite being completely unable to offer any evidence that this is required. I think we are sleepwalking into a Police State, and nobody seems to care! It doesn't matter what this woman thought or read or wrote, the very fact that she was prosecuted is the crime here. Guard your thoughts, hide or destroy your books, censor you writings. Big Brother is coming, and He wants YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 ... this woman was prosecuted for writing poems, owning books and believing in something. Just to clarify (and I appreciate I have diverged myself) she was prosecuted for the "information", I assume this doesn't include the poems, only the documents (al-Qaeda Manual, Terrorist’s Handbook, Mujahidin Poisons Handbook, a manual for a Dragunov sniper rifle, a firearms and RPG handbook and a document entitled “How to Win Hand-to-Hand Fighting). Ms Malik was convicted of collecting information, without reasonable excuse, of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism. This information included terrorism and poison handbooks as well as military manuals and other material likely to be useful to someone planning terrorist activity. You could surely apply your own thought police logic to people downloading child porn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 ^^ Indeed. There was more to it than poems and a few books. But then you get folk who collect WWII memorabilia e.g. Nazi weapons, manuals, uniforms etc. Do you arrest them too in case they clone Hitler, raise an army and invade Europe again? I can understand the need to act on something like this... but to lock them up / deport them isn't going to do anything to change their point of view. It'll only make it worse. What to do about it is a monumental question. People need to understand each other a whole lot more, that's for sure. Ignorance and disregard of other cultures is one of the most destructive things on the planet. The Matrix is starting to sound like quite an attractive alternative because I'm b*ggered if I think everyone will learn to get along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 this girl does not like our culture so where is the harm in deporting her to Pakistan so she can enjoy the merits of a muslim culture one she holds dear to her heart.a few months living there might make her appreciate what she has here. since Enron was brought up these 3 guys were extradited to the US on anti terror legislation but we can not extradite terrorists from the US (a one way agreement) couldn't have the hundreds of IRA scum that currently reside in the states extradited for murder now can we.I won't find fault with GW Bush for this as he is looking after his own and it would seem a damned sight smarter than our politicians. TB should have refused to sign any extradition treaty that did not work both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 this girl does not like our culture so where is the harm in deporting her to Pakistan so she can enjoy the merits of a muslim culture one she holds dear to her heart.Just to set the scene I wasn't explicitly talking about one case with regard to banging someone up or deporting them. To take your example though... even if you're glad to see the back of the UK you're no going to be exactly chuffed at being forcibly ejected. You may be leaving friends and family behind for example.Sections of Pakistan aren't exactly western friendly so, if your grudge is bad enough, you can easy find like minded people and take it from there. That's not to say it'd happen each and every time but it's still someone with a bigger bone to pick than before... which isn't helping anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 You may be leaving friends and family behind for example. send them with her Sections of Pakistan aren't exactly western friendly so, if your grudge is bad enough, you can easy find like minded people and take it from there. fair enough but would it not be better for them that hate the west to be stuck in Pakistan and not in the UK, suicide bombers are only effective if they are among us not much bloody use several thousand miles away.and security would be a lot easier to maintain if the powers that be stopped worrying about what is PC and profiled folks for the special treatment.just go to Australia and NZ to see what I mean.eg 3 year old blond girls dont get there teddy's taken of them and 30 year old asians get strick checking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Anyone wanting to do damage isn't going to be stopped by a border. This has been proved time and time again. Even if they were, there's embassies and tourists to take your pick from. Security based on racial profiling is bound to work. There's being PC and there's provoking agro. It's time for a worldwide group hug. You first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Just to clarify (and I appreciate I have diverged myself) she was prosecuted for the "information", I assume this doesn't include the poems, only the documents (al-Qaeda Manual, Terrorist’s Handbook, Mujahidin Poisons Handbook, a manual for a Dragunov sniper rifle, a firearms and RPG handbook and a document entitled “How to Win Hand-to-Hand Fighting).I've got books about chemistry, military history, and martial arts: I wonder when they're going to come for me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7177702.stm seems there was more than just an opinion being voiced then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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