Fjool Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I see great advantages for people who are a bit young looking needing to prove ageAlthough it must be pointed out that there are several such schemes already in existence for exactly this purpose. The nice thing about them is that they are optional and provide a benefit to those who explicitly choose to seek it. This is no argument for compulsory ID cards. This scheme is a pointless waste of our money and risks compromising our privacy. I am yet to see a single reason for this being something which I, personally, desire. I do not accept that we should be limiting the debate to the data they hold; the debate as to whether they are desirable, let alone necessary, is still very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ok then, we need both debates. Those against the principle can object while those in favour can discuss what is on the cards and who gets to see it. After all I think it is good that a policeman on the streets can scan my card to discover who I am and where I live should I be found collapsed. I also think it would be good that his scan could reveal that I was a diabetic because that information could be very relevant but would object if it also revealed irrelevant medical data such as my having had a vasectomy. At the same time I think that it would make sense that the staff in the casualty department could get a lot more information from the card or from a central data base that they could only log onto with the card. Things like current medication lists would help them and it certainly could also help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooks Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The idea of having some of your medical data stored on a card is fine...until they are stored with somebody else's medical data. Who knows how much access we will have to our own identity? What is to stop somebody clicking the wrong button somewhere and your own card having the wrong information on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Pooks wroteWhat is to stop somebody clicking the wrong button somewhere and your own card having the wrong information on it? Probably nothing which is why the debate should include being able to check on the data on our cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I think the whole debate on ID cards comes down to one thing. Do you trust the government? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhari P Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 What type of photo id can I get for my 8 year old? it seems a bit silly to have to get him a passport for the sake of getting to Aberdeen Hi tlady - despite me not having kids, that was one of the first things I thoughtI was feeling rather mischievous and called Northlink about this. The first person I spoke to couldn't answer the question and so went away to speak to her supervisor and put me on hold. The supervisor informed her that it would not apply to children as the supervising adult would have photo id. Not sure how school trips and such like will be affected through........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 What type of photo id can I get for my 8 year old? it seems a bit silly to have to get him a passport for the sake of getting to Aberdeen Hi tlady - despite me not having kids, that was one of the first things I thoughtI was feeling rather mischievous and called Northlink about this. The first person I spoke to couldn't answer the question and so went away to speak to her supervisor and put me on hold. The supervisor informed her that it would not apply to children as the supervising adult would have photo id. Not sure how school trips and such like will be affected through........ In a terrorism situation the mad Mullahs would stoop to using there children or anybody’s children as suicide bombers anyway so they would bypass the security system anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlady Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 What type of photo id can I get for my 8 year old? it seems a bit silly to have to get him a passport for the sake of getting to Aberdeen Hi tlady - despite me not having kids, that was one of the first things I thoughtI was feeling rather mischievous and called Northlink about this. The first person I spoke to couldn't answer the question and so went away to speak to her supervisor and put me on hold. The supervisor informed her that it would not apply to children as the supervising adult would have photo id. Not sure how school trips and such like will be affected through........ Thanks Mhari that's reassuring .. Northlink must only be looking for conformation on who's doing the booking then .. ie if you're traveling on a student card then you are actually a student .. it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of that scam .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 After all I think it is good that a policeman on the streets can scan my card to discover who I am and where I live should I be found collapsed. I also think it would be good that his scan could reveal that I was a diabetic... A medical alert bracelet engraved with your doctor's and next of kin's phone numbers would do the job, and cost much less than the £65-100+ the proposed ID cards are going to cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Even the MOD can't manage to handle personal data safely and securely, and the Government wants the nation to believe sundry civil servants having access to similar data on everybody is going to make everyone safer. At the rate they're going the Government is going to be responsible for far more identity theft etc etc than anyone else, maybe if they showed they could lead by example folk would start taking their hair-brained schemes more seriously. "The stolen laptop contained personal information relating to some 600,000 people who have either expressed an interest in, or have joined, the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and the Royal Air Force. The information held is not the same for every individual. In some cases, for casual inquiries, the record is no more than a name." But it did concede that "for those who progressed as far as submitting an application to join the Forces, extensive personal data may be held, including passport details, National Insurance numbers, drivers' licence details, family details, doctors' addresses and National Health Service numbers". http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080118/tpl-uk-britain-defence-39349ed_4.html I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a Military Officer in possession of this amount of sensitive data while outside actual military installations, should have had the laptop chained to his wrist permanently, but that's just me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Regarding Northlink,I dont have a passport although I do carry a workforce id so I should be fine. My mate doesnt have a passport or any photo id so does that mean he will be stuck in Shetland for life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 ^If he has a driving licence, that would do. You can also get passport application forms from the Post Office. Passports cost £72 and last for 10 years. That's less than 2p per day. A bargain !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 mooritPassports cost £72 and last for 10 years. That's less than 2p per day. A bargain !!!Only a bargain if you want to go abroad, I don't need a passport myself as I have a photo driving licence, if I didn't have the driving licence I'd be pretty miffed at having to cough up £72, just for the privilege of traveling with Northlink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolink81 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 mooritPassports cost £72 and last for 10 years. That's less than 2p per day. A bargain !!!Only a bargain if you want to go abroad, I don't need a passport myself as I have a photo driving licence, if I didn't have the driving licence I'd be pretty miffed at having to cough up £72, just for the privilege of traveling with Northlink. Anyone that doesn't have photo id can go into the office and get a photo on their islander id cards for free, i spoke to them on the phone today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 we were told that we wouldn't need a passport to travel within th EU. Well guess what it doesn't applies to brits, there are quite a few EU citezens out on this rig and only one of them is carrying a passport, the rest have travelled on ID cards some photographic some not, EU law states that no passport is needed for any travel within the borders of the EU, try traveling to france without one and you wont get accross the channel,but for a frenchman comming here a creditcard is all that is needed same when he wants to leave the UK.Is it any bloody wonder I dont want anything to do with the UK/EU double standards, corruption unelected twats deciding how I should live my life, these same twats telling us how we can or can't spend our own money.Time to get the hell out of dodge as they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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