Medziotojas Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 we were told that we wouldn't need a passport to travel within th EU. Well guess what it doesn't apply to brits Unfortunately, this only applies to countries that are signed up to the Schengen Agreement These include Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden; and also nine new members that joined on the 21 December 2007 which includes Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Malta. Norway and Iceland, which are not members of the EU, are part of the Schengen agreement. Cyprus, Great Britain, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania and Switzerland are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 It doesn't explain how they can travel to and from the UK without passports though. If the UK is not a signatory to this agreement surely they would need a passport to travel to the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggismaker Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 If I don't need any ID to down the tube in London, why on earth do I need to be photographically vetted going home on the boat? CalMac doesn't require it, BA doesn't require it. I don't require it. Neither Scots nor even European law requires it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 If I don't need any ID to down the tube in London, why on earth do I need to be photographically vetted going home on the boat? Are you moving from island to island when on the tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Are you moving from island to island when on the tube? Surely you're not suggesting that we should carry photo ID when travelling to the likes of Whalsay, Foula, Papa Stour, Out Skerries, Fair Isle, Bressay and the North Isles are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groilick Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Are you moving from island to island when on the tube? Surely you're not suggesting that we should carry photo ID when travelling to the likes of Whalsay, Foula, Papa Stour, Out Skerries, Fair Isle, Bressay and the North Isles are you? Gie hit time boy - gie hit time, da Sella Ness fok need photo ID tae win in tae dir wark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastpubrunner Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 After all I think it is good that a policeman on the streets can scan my card to discover who I am and where I live should I be found collapsed. I also think it would be good that his scan could reveal that I was a diabetic... A medical alert bracelet engraved with your doctor's and next of kin's phone numbers would do the job, and cost much less than the £65-100+ the proposed ID cards are going to cost. Evil Inky has raised a very good point here. This is related to a very important aspect of ID cards which I haven't yet seen raised on this forum. The Government has proposed that ID cards become compulsory for the entire population of the UK; however (doesn't this seem ridiculous ?) carrying an ID card about your person will not be compulsory ! In other words, we will only be required to own an ID card, not carry it around with us. If ID cards are inflicted upon us, I'd imagine that most people would keep the card in their top drawer at home so that it isn't lost. Which raises the question - what is the point of having them ? To those that say "If you've nothing to hide, what have you to worry about ?" I say "If I've nothing to hide, why should I need one ?" Some say they will help to prevent 'undesirables' entering the country. But surely, the best way to stop such people entering the country would be to stop them at the point of entry ? In other words, tightening up controls at airports and ports. This would be far cheaper than introducing ID cards and much more effective. Some say "these cards will help the Police"; well not really, especially if carrying the cards is not compulsory. I've three close family members in the Police force and they all state that the main difficulty in solving crimes is identifying the culprit and then finding them; if someone goes into hiding, the fact that they may or may not have a card in their pocket is of little use to the Police. Finding people is the main problem; perhaps the Government will suggest that it should be possible for the cards to be tracked by GPS ? To those that say "I don't mind having an ID card, but they should be 'free'" - Well where do they suppose the Government gets money from ? Directly or indirectly, 'We', the Public, will be paying for the ID cards. Can anyone tell me of any Computer system which has been brought in by the Government which has worked ? Can anyone tell me of any project that the Government has completed which hasn't been at least 100% over budget ? As others have stated on this forum, it is difficult to identify any tangible and realistic benefits for the introduction of ID cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Gie hit time boy - gie hit time, da Sella Ness fok need photo ID tae win in tae dir wark. The Catch has gone one better than that. They have a finger print reader. I tell you, a finger print reader to get in and out of a fish factory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlady Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ^^^ Oh please tell me you're joking .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 The Catch has gone one better than that. They have a finger print reader. I tell you, a finger print reader to get in and out of a fish factory!Doesn't sound very hygienic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMess Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ^^^^ It's probably to do with industry standards for quality/safety assurance (e.g. British Retail Consortium Accreditation) that a lot of manufacturers are having to implement now to keep their customers happy. For example, this system would monitor who was entering the factory floor, so if any suspected malicious contamination occured, they would know exactly who was where. Could be wrong though. I'd say it's verging on overkill for a fish factory, but that's the way security systems are going and the Catch obviously has plenty to spend. It isn't really unhygienic, as staff should be washing their hands on entry into each processing area, after the fingerprint scan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 It isn't really unhygienic, as staff should be washing their hands on entry into each processing area, after the fingerprint scan.Having worked at the Catch, I'd suggest "should" is the operative word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMess Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Yeah that's always the case... still, thankfully food poisoning from micro handling contamination isn't a big issue with fish of this type because it's cooked through (and usually frozen in transit which always helps keep multiplication levels down). Most of the bad stuff with fish is inherently present through environmental contamination from poorly cleaned equipment etc. Often it's more of a problem on the spoilage front than safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Northlink asked to postpone bringing in photo ID A GROUP of councillors is calling on the ferry company, NorthLink, to delay the move to require people to show photo identification before being able to board. A special motion will be considered by the full council at its meeting next Tuesday, which has been purt forward by Councillor Steven Heddle and has been countersigned by OIC vice-convener, Councillor James Stockan. The specific wording of the motion is: 'We the undersigned, move that the council should request that NorthLink Ferries Limited postpones its proposed implementation of a requirement for all passengers to provide photographic proof of identity before boarding, until such time as a complete assessment and evaluation of the implications can be fully considered and show that such a requirement is justified'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willz320 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I always travel on northlink with a shared cabin. Quite often sharing with a stranger, god forbid that if that person did anything to me from stealing a belonging to assaulting me. I would hope that NorthLink would have the ability to tell the authorities who that person was. From what I can tell at the moment - they don’t have to be who they say there are! For all it costs (nothing!) wheres the problem in showing a picture of yourself to another local when you checkin for the ferry? is hID really worth it? Yes if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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