Marooned in Maywick Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 So, it looks like the SPL are against the idea of an Old Firm title decider. Most countries would be salivating at the thought of their two (currently ) biggest teams battling it out in a winner-takes-all football-fest. Not Scotland, though. What an absolute disgrace that it is feared that so-called football fans can't manage to behave like civilised adults. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2109474.0.spl_boss_says_forget_about_title_decider.php http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=530300&in_page_id=1779&ct=5 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football-news/scottish-football/spl-football/celtic-fc/2008/03/12/celtic-s-gordon-strachan-i-would-love-old-firm-title-decider-86908-20348348/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Well, you see what happened in 1999 when Rangers effectively won the title at Parkhead. Celtic fans assaulted the ref and one threw himself off the stands at half time. It's a pity when the minority ruin it for the rest, and they are the self proclaimed greatest football supporters in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 What an absolute disgrace that it is feared that so-called football fans can't manage to behave like civilised adults. Your ignorance astounds me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Corolla Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 FTOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 What an absolute disgrace that it is feared that so-called football fans can't manage to behave like civilised adults. Your ignorance astounds me. How can it be ignorant to have an opinion? Do you actually think it isn't disgraceful and a pretty sad reflection on modern-day Scottish society that two sets of football fans can't just go to a game, watch it and then go home/to the pub/wherever? Maybe if both sets of fans moved into the 21st century and left all that Boyne/Athenry pish behind them we could have an OF title decider.What the hell any of that crap has to do with a football game is beyond me - maybe you can enlighten me, JAS, since I'm so ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 It is feared because there is a history of violence, blood and hatred between the two clubs, over some stupid thing like their religion. Do you actually think it isn't disgraceful and a pretty sad reflection on modern-day Scottish society that two sets of football fans can't just go to a game, watch it and then go home/to the pub/wherever? I do think it is disgraceful yes, but I also think that it is naive to suggest there wouldn't be any violence at an Old Firm match, let alone a bloody title decider. Maybe if both sets of fans moved into the 21st century and left all that Boyne/Athenry pish behind them we could have an OF title decider.What the hell any of that crap has to do with a football game is beyond me - maybe you can enlighten me, JAS, since I'm so ignorant. Yes I too would love to see the fans mature and respect each other enough to at least maintain a similar relationship as there is/was between Dundee and United fans, who seldom clash, but it seems unlikely. Its not just a case of respecting the football club - thats the easy part, its getting them to respect each other's crazy religious beliefs. I'm sure you've all heard the word "dirty" and "bastard" applied at the beginning and end respectively of "Catholic" or "Protestant". The religious obstacle isn't one that is easily overcome, because we all know how headstrong religious type are, let alone a religious football supporter. The hot headed Old Firm clashes are unrivaled in Europe. They are notoriously known to be violent and indeed just a few weeks ago I watched a documentary featuring Danny Dyer regarding football violence in Scotland. It was pretty shocking. What was also shocking is that rival firms outside of the Old Firm still fighting. And if you can't stop Aberdeen and Hearts fans fighting, how do we expect to stop Geographical AND Competitive rivals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomblands Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Off Topic - Danny Dyer is one of the biggest I have ever seen on TV. On topic - Let them play, let them fight, let them get kicked out of football forever. I couldn't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Danny Dyer is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 It is feared because there is a history of violence, blood and hatred between the two clubs, over some stupid thing like their religion. Yes, I'm aware of the history between the two sets of supporters, but do you seriously believe it's all about religion? Do you actually think it isn't disgraceful and a pretty sad reflection on modern-day Scottish society that two sets of football fans can't just go to a game, watch it and then go home/to the pub/wherever? I do think it is disgraceful yes, but I also think that it is naive to suggest there wouldn't be any violence at an Old Firm match, let alone a bloody title decider. I don't believe I ever suggested that there wouldn't be violence at any Old Firm match - I expressed the opinion that I found it disgraceful that elements of both sets of supporters couldn't manage to behave like civilised human beings. Maybe if both sets of fans moved into the 21st century and left all that Boyne/Athenry pish behind them we could have an OF title decider.What the hell any of that crap has to do with a football game is beyond me - maybe you can enlighten me, JAS, since I'm so ignorant. Yes I too would love to see the fans mature and respect each other enough to at least maintain a similar relationship as there is/was between Dundee and United fans, who seldom clash, but it seems unlikely. Its not just a case of respecting the football club - thats the easy part, its getting them to respect each other's crazy religious beliefs. I'm sure you've all heard the word "dirty" and "bastard" applied at the beginning and end respectively of "Catholic" or "Protestant". The religious obstacle isn't one that is easily overcome, because we all know how headstrong religious type are, let alone a religious football supporter. The hot headed Old Firm clashes are unrivaled in Europe. They are notoriously known to be violent and indeed just a few weeks ago I watched a documentary featuring Danny Dyer regarding football violence in Scotland. It was pretty shocking. What was also shocking is that rival firms outside of the Old Firm still fighting. And if you can't stop Aberdeen and Hearts fans fighting, how do we expect to stop Geographical AND Competitive rivals? Again I do believe you're being overly simplistic in your assertion that their respective religions are the root of the trouble - surely any true adherent to Christian theology, be it Catholicism or Protestantism would be of essentially a forgiving nature and not inclined to beat the living bejaysus out of someone who happens to be wearing a different coloured shirt.Society's problems go deeper than that - it just seems to be the case that football provides a convenient vehicle for the less-tolerant members of society to peddle their hatred.It's just a shame that those two clubs and the organising associations aren't doing a bit more to rid the sport of the hatred that exists within it. And if Danny Dyer thinks there's some sort of violent rivalry between Hearts and Aberdeen or any so-called 'firms' - and you believe him - I think it's time you both paid a visit to the reality shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 He just happened to be presenting a show, it could have been anyone presenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Marooned in Maywick, sorry, I misread/understood your comment. I thought that you were surprised these individuals could not be trusted. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISTnWAST Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 MiM is a very naughty boy for starting this thread. There wasn't much going on in the other threads for him to talk about the evil Old Firm, so he just used this topic as a way to get his daily fix The reason he is naughty, is that he knew nobody would come up with the correct reply. The first person to reply should have said Yes MiM, you're right[/Thread] BREAKING NEWS - MOST OLD FIRM FANS ARE RELIGIOUS BIGOTS Unless somebody has a way to solve the problem, there is nothing much to say on the issue that MiM hasn't already covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 BREAKING NEWS - MOST OLD FIRM FANS ARE RELIGIOUS BIGOTS Surely even you EnW don't believe it's as simple as that? Their so-called religion surely just provides an umbrella for them to hide under/be lumped under by lazy social commentators who can't be bothered to look further for solutions. Let's be realistic here - the clubs OR SFA are never going to do anything other than pay lip-service to any notion of getting rid of the majority of their supports.It's what they're built on and, as a result, they've become very successful clubs (domestically).Will anything ever change?Sadly, I doubt it. Anyhoo, EnW, I gotta say I do look forward to your late-night/early morning posts - they're a source of amusement for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I think you're a bit right aboot religion, its not the SOUL (get it, word play.. ach whatever ) reason why they fight but it is one major contributing factor. surely any true adherent to Christian theology, be it Catholicism or Protestantism would be of essentially a forgiving nature and not inclined to beat the living bejaysus out of someone who happens to be wearing a different coloured shirt. Surely indeed, but we all know thats not how it works. "Love Thy Neighbour* *unless he believes in a different god, is gay, is atheist, likes shrimp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 If people want to hate other people or be bigots, i say let them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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