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lets talk about his house. if i was to build something as wonderful as that without permission i would expect the bulldozers to arrive. next if his well built building does not survive the winter i assume he will be out there picking his junk up. this is a sensitive area for nature. So why have certin well paid council officials not inforced building control.

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Oh paulb :roll: for da want 'o wit!

 

Should the council or any other UK authority approach Mr Hill on any matter regarding Forwick Holm that will be the first step to recognising his attempts at claiming that holm as the crown dependancy of Forvick.

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disagree just because he claims its independant he needs to be shown its not. or we could see him opening a freeport of forvick. so remind me if i am wrong but papa stour and its islands were royal holdings before the sale/loan/theft of the islands from norway/denmark. in the marrage settlement does the then king not give papa stour to the scots king. so one of the only parts of shetland that the king could sell/loan ect was papa stour. so mr hill is claiming independance for a part of shetland that does belong to the crown. typical could he have messed up again. this could be a land grab by HMG. dont you all remember rockall. are we sure that was not mr hill as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockall_Union_flag_hoisted_1955.jpg

stick a beard on the man with the flag it could be him.

yet again i just found this which shows it was not part of the deal.

Until the 17th century, Papa Stour remained under the rule of the Lords of Norway despite Shetland having been pledged to Scotland as a royal dowry payment. The Mowat family became the factors for these Norwegian aristocrats
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so remind me if i am wrong but papa stour and its islands were royal holdings before the sale/loan/theft of the islands from norway/denmark. in the marrage settlement does the then king not give papa stour to the scots king.

 

No. Papa Stour was not included in the dowry.

 

oops, just read the rest of your post.

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^^ As far as I can see, it's what was, and wasn't included in the dowry and in the terms of the pawning that is the basis of the whole bone of contention, for Forewick Holm, Papa Stour and Shetland as a whole.

 

Whether the Danish/Norski king thought he had and/or attempted to give the Scots King rights he didn't actually have to give, or whether the Scots king understood he had been given rights that actually weren't the Danish/Norski's king's to give and/or exercised rights beyond those which he knew he had not been given, just because he could, is pretty much the bottom line that keeps the argument/debate going more than five centuries later.

 

For some inexplicable reason, not even Hill is interested in pursuing the matter back to the above points, I've called him on it on here someplace already a while ago, and he wouldn't touch it. Which, IMHO, is extremely daft, as to get to the bottom of anything, its essential to begin at the very beginning, bit onny wye he laeks. :wink:

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Do is a RIGHT WHINJER Plaub , aa he's done is tak a grain o wood oot tae an Isle he owns , " sensitive area for nature " ??

whit a load o twoddle du spiks , yes I fully agree his luck on da water is not the best , but I by no means right him aff on that respect , many a proffesional mariner with much more experience than him have also had to be rescued , that is the nature of the beast , sailing in an open boat all the way up here taks mair true grit than all the things i've done on the ocean .

And yes it can be called foolhardy & dangerous but no more so than Andrew Halcrow's solo circumnavigation attempt or Dame Helen Arthur succesful attempt for which she was made a heroine and a role model ! .

Both of these escapades breach the International regulations for preventing collisions at sea in a big way !!Which means they posed a grave danger to themselves & everything that approached them .

Human kind glories in the spirit of human endurance , exploration & the quest to push further into the unknown .

Now I know this may sound a bit different to Stuarts escapades but I think he's got a right to go for it like anybody else who has done anything thats outside the norm.

And also the other twoddle you speak about putting the rescue services life in danger , another load of twoddle from all you safety blethering nancies!

The people who do this train to do it because they want to do it and the risk is part of the allure .

They were trained rescuers in a state of the art rescue craft with a helicopter overhead (also state of the art ) and he was an old man sitting on his plywood craft very close to land on sheltered inland waters.

And another code of life at sea is that we will always endeavour to reacue every soul , regardless of how they came to be in that predicament.

Stick tae feedin dee hens.

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Do is a RIGHT WHINJER Plaub , aa he's done is tak a grain o wood oot tae an Isle he owns , " sensitive area for nature " ??

whit a load o twoddle du spiks , yes I fully agree his luck on da water is not the best , but I by no means right him aff on that respect , many a proffesional mariner with much more experience than him have also had to be rescued , that is the nature of the beast , sailing in an open boat all the way up here taks mair true grit than all the things i've done on the ocean .

 

Yeah many a professional mariner has had to be rescued but I don't remember hearing about them taking a home made boat into open water to bail it out. It was a bloody poor decision and he knows it was.

 

And yes it can be called foolhardy & dangerous but no more so than Andrew Halcrow's solo circumnavigation attempt or Dame Helen Arthur succesful attempt for which she was made a heroine and a role model ! .

Both of these escapades breach the International regulations for preventing collisions at sea in a big way !!Which means they posed a grave danger to themselves & everything that approached them .

Human kind glories in the spirit of human endurance , exploration & the quest to push further into the unknown .

Now I know this may sound a bit different to Stuarts escapades but I think he's got a right to go for it like anybody else who has done anything thats outside the norm.

 

The minor difference between Stuart Hill and Dame Ellen McArthur?, she hasn't been rescued 8 times by the RNLI. To even mention the two in the same breath is incredible. She circumnavigated the globe he got to Shetland after manys a run in with the RNLI, now a sensible soul would ask themself if sea faring is their forte after that, but here we are again another call out.

 

The fact that Forvik has become a debate about his sea faring abilities (I refuse to blame bad luck) is a shame.

 

And also the other twoddle you speak about putting the rescue services life in danger , another load of twoddle from all you safety blethering nancies!

The people who do this train to do it because they want to do it and the risk is part of the allure .

They were trained rescuers in a state of the art rescue craft with a helicopter overhead (also state of the art ) and he was an old man sitting on his plywood craft very close to land on sheltered inland waters.

And another code of life at sea is that we will always endeavour to reacue every soul , regardless of how they came to be in that predicament.

Stick tae feedin dee hens.

 

Twoddle, you got that right, the RNLI do train what they don't need is unneccesary call outs to help people who should know better and Mr Hill an experienced sailor does know better. Hopefully Mr Hill will be making a sizeable donation to the RNLI to cover the cost of the fuel used in his rescues. Granted the new Coastguard chopper could do with the familiarisation work but what had happened if someone else had needed them that night as well. A totally avoidable rescue that's all it was.

 

By all means defend Stuart but don't try and palm off his shortcomings as a sailor as playful mishaps, he knows better and it is incredibly frustrating that his latest rescue shows how ill prepared he was.

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The minor difference between Stuart Hill and Dame Ellen McArthur?, she hasn't been rescued 8 times by the RNLI.

 

I think you will find that Stuart has not been rescued 8 times either 6 of the callouts were by well meaning if missguided members of the public and he did not need and was not rescued.

This is a fine example of write enough sharn and some of it gets taken to be fact by folk that don't know any better.

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The minor difference between Stuart Hill and Dame Ellen McArthur?, she hasn't been rescued 8 times by the RNLI.

 

I think you will find that Stuart has not been rescued 8 times either 6 of the callouts were by well meaning if missguided members of the public and he did not need and was not rescued.

This is a fine example of write enough sharn and some of it gets taken to be fact by folk that don't know any better.

 

Less cash to donate to the RNLI for their assistance then. I imagine Stuart does donate cash to them already though but if he doesn't he should.

 

Like I said Forvik shouldn't be about his adventures in the boat. If the last avoidable call out hadn't happened then it would be less ammunition for the Daily Record and people that want to see him fall on his ass.

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taking a home made boat into open water to bail it out. It was a bloody poor decision and he knows it was.

 

 

It turned out to be the wrong decision, but it was not a poor decision. If my boat was being pounded onto a beach I would head for the sea as well. If his engines had been more reliable he would have found flat water in the lee of the holm. If his boat can be refloated after being buried on the Kirk Sands will you agree that it is a respectable craft, or will you continue to berate it because it is "home made"?

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It turned out to be the wrong decision, but it was not a poor decision. If my boat was being pounded onto a beach I would head for the sea as well. If his engines had been more reliable he would have found flat water in the lee of the holm. If his boat can be refloated after being buried on the Kirk Sands will you agree that it is a respectable craft, or will you continue to berate it because it is "home made"?

 

A coastguard spokesman said the Sound of Papa was a treacherous place to be in a small boat. Mr Hill was sitting in the boat "clinging to nothing" when they found him and had a mobile telephone and a GPS system to alert the emergency services.

 

Hel said he was trying to shift his boat to a more sheltered area when he got into trouble, adding: "My reasoning was that if I could get it into smoother water I could bale it out, get it safe so that I could get back in it to the Shetland mainland at a later stage.

 

"But in fact the waves completely swamped it, and filled it to a point where the water couldn't get out as quickly as it was coming in. At that point, the engines were too low in the water and got water in them."

 

Would you head out without a working radio or a life jacket with the boat already filling up, when does it become a poor decision?. The guy built the boat on his own good on him but if it was fit for what he tried to do it wouldn't have been sinking with him needing the life boat out to get him.

 

I wouldn't drive a car at night without headlights and an engine that wasn't working as well as it could if I did and I had an accident that would be a poor decision.

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