EM Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 hindsight is a great thing, It is not a matter of hindsight, it is foresight which is key. As he states himself: It is something I tried to avoid. In itself a stupid thing to say (who would not try to avoid it?), but it shows that this "experienced" sailor, who was trying his best, still made so many ridiculous errors of judgement. Because of this evidence of poor foresight, his claim of vast experience counts against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooks Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I hope that somebody checked his passport when he re-entered the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 but if his motors had started we would not be discussing this now. Quite. And equally as was pointed out earlier, if his mobile battery had gone flat 5 minutes sooner, we could well be discussing something else. I don't think he would have drowned. Forvik is not that far from Papa Stour, and the boat was washed up on a sandy beach - even without a mobile phone he would have made it ashore cold and wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 It is not a matter of hindsight, it is foresight which is key. I think he foresaw his boat being driven ashore on Forvik. He tried to save the boat and failed. (Or he might salvage it yet!) He left it too late though and you have to wonder why he had it moored on the weather side of the isle in the first place. Does he not listen to the forecast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I don't think he would have drowned. He obviously didn't think so either. In this interview http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2008/jun/18/stuart.hill.shetland He "decided" He was going to live to be 117! Does that mean we've got another 52 years of this? Or does it mean that we might be justified in taking some things he says with a pinch of salt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddisp Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I take it we will be billing the kingdom of Forvik for the costs incurred for the rescue.The man is a danger to himself and others who have to turn out to rescue him.The sound has a strong tidal current and no matter how short the distance someone who is fully clothed in cold water in strong tides has little chance of survival.The so called boat is not suitable for these waters. If all boaters were this incompetant the resue services would be called out every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 im just a stupid person crofter. yet even in my humbly thick view papa sound is the wrong place to be playing at being Robinson Crusoe. http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/about/directives/Papa_Stour.pdfthis area is a protected area.1. he should not have built there.2. he should not discharge sewage there.3. he should not release petrol products into this area.4. he should not dump 3-4 tonnes of junk into the marine environment. back to his boating.why had he not read the instructions on the flares before he needed to use them. were was his life vest. why was his Emergency equipment ready for use. why did his unsinkable boat sink. if he felt that he was not in danger of drowning why did he call the coast guard.why do you feel that a lifeboats crew was not risking there lives for him. the area is dangerous lifeboats have been lost before.so in my humbly opinion he is wrong. but im just an ignorant fool so it does not matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 im just a stupid person crofter. Sorry for that remark. back to his boating.....why did his unsinkable boat sink. If it sank, why is it ashore now and not on the bottom of the sea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Something i find quite funny, and this is down to folk who are against Hill and his ideals of independance and those for, and that is the now almost 100% usage of the name "Forvik" instead of Forewick Holm. It has probably been Googled so much now , that any non resident Shetlander, from all over the Globe will only have ever known it as Forvik!Time for the Ordnance Survey to change the Maps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 the currents. i take a boat being submerged as sunk. it does not need to be on the bottom. ive read the the current is 6 knots so i would not recommend swimming back.he is lucky he had an anchor or he would have been on an ocean cruise. so well done mr hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Da latest rumour on da Wastside is that he wis so gratefull tae da crew o da lifeboat he granted them citizenship o Forvik PS. I tink da man's a blody idiot for goin oot in yun wadder in a thing that resembles a raft me an me pals made when we wir 13! Maybe if he had a more suitable boat an a good heavy anchor he'd manage better... until den i doot he better joost mak Forvik his simmer residency! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 bit of serious advice.http://www.sailinks.co.uk/safety/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khitajrah Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Da latest rumour on da Wastside is that he wis so gratefull tae da crew o da lifeboat he granted them citizenship o Forvik Funny, well what I heard from one of the coast guard fellows was that they completely ignored him when he was on their lifeboat. Guess they didn't want their citizenships after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 If it sank, why is it ashore now and not on the bottom of the sea? I don't really see the point in getting too pedantic over this. It's made of wood. Wood floats. Sunk, submerged, whatever, it certainly wasn't floating in the manner he intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 If it sank, why is it ashore now and not on the bottom of the sea? I don't really see the point in getting too pedantic over this. It's made of wood. Wood floats. Sunk, submerged, whatever, it certainly wasn't floating in the manner he intended. No, but if it had sunk I think he would have been a goner. If he had not managed to phone for help, I believe he would have floated ashore on Papa if he stayed in the punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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