Stuart Hill (Captain Calamity) Forvik

[JohanofNess]

Why not turn this thread into a poll?

 

Good call

 

Dunno if Shetlink gives a fair representation of the population of Shetland though, my granny isn't on it (she could be Ghostrider though by some of the opinions being posted ) but Grandmother thinks he is embarrassing Shetland so she'd probably vote with the majority anyway.

[Infiltrator]

What would happen if it was shown in black & white that you didn't have the backing of the majority of Shetland people?

 

I really believe he's doing this for himself - I think it's his ego that's driving him and he thinks if he's successful he'll go down in local history as some sort of saviour of Shetland.

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that his son and wife had basically disowned him after his boat(ego) trip, surely it'd be more personally rewarding to sort his relationship with his son at least?

 

I think he's egotistic, delusional and very misguided and ultimately he's driven by a desire to be someone. He'd be much better taking a good hard look at himself and getting his priorities sorted.

[stuarthill]

 

Long story short - you need to be getting a good amount of active support in place now so there's someone there to take it all on years down the line... on the off chance it does ever come to anything. For any real support to be gathered you need to be taken seriously and you're steadily going backwards on that front as it is. I do hope you don't feel offended by any of this... but it's "your choice" to do so

OK Shetlinkers. I’ve had some pretty negative feedback here. I’m trying my best to open a door of opportunity for Shetland based on its unique history. I’m prepared (peacefully) to do whatever is necessary to prove that opportunity exists and I’m doing that on behalf of people who have told me they want things to happen and support what I’m doing.

If you want things to stay as they are, that’s fine, but don’t try to prevent others from seeking change. At the end of the day it will be up to the people of Shetland as a whole to decide what they want. Whether it be change, or staying as we are, that choice should not be denied.

We can be very sure the UK government will do everything it can to hold on to its power here whether it holds that power legitimately or otherwise. If it has legitimate authority, it should have no difficulty in proving it. If it has usurped its power and only has authority here because it says so and nobody bothers to challenge it, then Shetland should be asking questions and demanding answers.

Any effective challenge cannot be achieved in my view by simply asking for change. It may well involve breaking the ‘law’ to prove its validity. There may well have to be confrontation, but it must be peaceful.

If you find me an embarrassment, I can understand that, but I’m not in this to inflate my ego or to make money for myself. If someone else wants to step forward and take my place, I’ll be delighted to step aside and support from the wings. This job would be far better done by Shetlanders if there is anyone out there willing to take it on. It would be still better done by a group than a single person.

So, instead of pouring scorn, let’s have some ideas. If anyone wants a meeting, I’m up for that. PM me if you would like to take things further.

[Fjool]

Please, folks, let's keep this objective and tone down the sniping. Stuart deserves the same respect as any other Shetlinker, even if he does have his very own thread. Whilst Forvik might be outside the T&Cs of UK Plc, we are not outside the T&Cs of Shetlink here. Keep manners foremost when conducting the debate.

 

I'm pleased to see Stuart here, making the most of the forum and answering the questions which have arisen. There's no need for malicious personal comments. Let's stick to the topic at hand, and be nice.

 

Ta!

[Njugle]

A fair and valid response stuart. The result of any and all 'public consultations' is to address the negative opinion and find a response to it. From your above post it would appear that you are indeed doing that here.

 

And, another part of my tuppence worth, I know that Udal Law was investigated some years ago, but it is worth remembering that it still exists for the likes of salmon fishing rights in Shetland.

 

While it would, as I said before, be interesting to hear how westminster would favour Shetlands independence from Scotland in the advent of Scottish independence, it would also be interesting to hear a legal account of how Udal law prevailed to the present day for salmon.

[fairislefaerie]

So, instead of pouring scorn, let’s have some ideas. If anyone wants a meeting, I’m up for that. PM me if you would like to take things further.

 

 

Now correct me here if im wrong... But havent you already tried this idea via public hall meetings that flopped very quickly due to lack of interest ?

[Frances144]

Dear Stuart,

 

Udal Law and everything aside, please can you remove your Land Rover.

 

I drive past it twice a day and it is rapidly becoming an eye-sore and, to be perfectly honest, I don't think it is fair on the folk of Sandness to have to put up with this giant piece of junk, just because you want to make your point.

 

Sandness, as I am sure you must be aware, is a beautiful place and you are doing your cause and yourself no good by approaching this matter using this means, ie a giant litter campaign of the worst type.

[TeeAyBee]

OK Shetlinkers. I’ve had some pretty negative feedback here. I’m trying my best to open a door of opportunity for Shetland based on its unique history. I’m prepared (peacefully) to do whatever is necessary to prove that opportunity exists and I’m doing that on behalf of people who have told me they want things to happen and support what I’m doing.

 

I don't believe you. Name names and have them stand up for this alleged cause. Otherwise stop claiming support you cannot prove or demonstrate. It seems to me there's Martin Clunes and You. Your magazine poll failed to demonstrate support too.

 

If you want things to stay as they are, that’s fine, but don’t try to prevent others from seeking change.

 

To seek no change is the same as seeking change - it is just an opposite. You are basically saying if you want things to stay the same don't do anything to prevent someone else changing things for you. It is the old 'if you are not for me, you're against me' . If that's the case then I am against you.

 

At the end of the day it will be up to the people of Shetland as a whole to decide what they want.

 

And from what I've read most folk want you to stop what you're doing and stop making a laughing stock of these Islands. You've clouded the issues with your antics so much now that the actual point of what you started out to achieve has been lost. All anyone thinks of now when Shetland Independence is mentioned is you and your shenanigans.

 

Any effective challenge cannot be achieved in my view by simply asking for change. It may well involve breaking the ‘law’ to prove its validity. There may well have to be confrontation, but it must be peaceful.

 

Resolving this issue does not have to involve breaking laws. You can always bring a case yourself, but breaking the law of a land where the laws are accepted by the majority of the folk there opens you up to prosecution and possibly jail.

 

If you find me an embarrassment, I can understand that, but I’m not in this to inflate my ego or to make money for myself. If someone else wants to step forward and take my place, I’ll be delighted to step aside and support from the wings. This job would be far better done by Shetlanders if there is anyone out there willing to take it on. It would be still better done by a group than a single person.

So, instead of pouring scorn, let’s have some ideas. If anyone wants a meeting, I’m up for that. PM me if you would like to take things further.

 

Here's an idea, stop trying to make things "better" for me and leave me alone to work out what I want for myself. You have this hypocritical "holier than thou I'm doing it for your good you know" attitude which is both egotistical and self serving. I can only speak for myself here but I DON'T WANT YOUR HELP. I DON'T WANT YOUR REVOLUTION. I DON'T WANT YOUR PATRONISATION. DON'T DO ANYTHING IN MY NAME. MOVE YOUR CAR!

 

Does that make it clear enough for you? Because I don't want you to 'liberate' me does not make my choice any less valid, nor does it make me wrong.

 

I support the idea of making this issue a poll. The question is, what should the question be? I don't think it should be "Was Shetland ever Scottish?" but should be "Do we want Mr Hill to Cease and Desist his activity pertaining to 'liberating' Shetland"?

 

I know what I'd vote.

[TeeAyBee]

Whilst Forvik might be outside the T&Cs of UK Plc, we are not outside the T&Cs of Shetlink here.

 

Are you on behalf of Shetlink formally accepting the validity of Forvik?

[Guest Anonymous]

Whilst Forvik might be outside the T&Cs of UK Plc, we are not outside the T&Cs of Shetlink here.

 

Are you on behalf of Shetlink formally accepting the validity of Forvik?

 

Fjool is just trying to keep the peace, and have folk keep to the T&Cs. I think we're all maybe a bit guilty of having a personal 'go at Stuart', me maybe more than most

 

I think a Shetlink Poll would be a good idea, or better still a petition put around in the normal way, in the shops, etc..

[khitajrah]

I nominate Malcolm as he did such a fab job with the Ambulance petition. How about that then? Stuart, if enough people signed it asking you to stop what you are doing, would you stop?

[Medziotojas]

Of course there is a poll on Independence for Shetland here which would suggest that only 37 percent are in favour of maintaining the status quo. Although a Shetlink poll will never relay a true consensus, the poll does seem to run somewhat contrary to some of the feelings in this particular thread.

[TeeAyBee]

Fjool is just trying to keep the peace, and have folk keep to the T&Cs. I think we're all maybe a bit guilty of having a personal 'go at Stuart', me maybe more than most

 

I think a Shetlink Poll would be a good idea, or better still a petition put around in the normal way, in the shops, etc..

 

Fjool is of course doing the right thing as a Mod in reminding all of the T&Cs, however, this is a personal issue. Mr Hill is committing individual acts and making personal statements 'on behalf' of everyone and I reserve my right to refute anything said in my name that I disagree with. Personal insults are of course out of order and I think if there is a dock for this I'll be standing next to you

 

That does not mean I withdraw anything, nor does it mean I support Mr Hill in any way shape or form, or recognise his declaration of independence or any alleged legitimacy of the so called Forvik and it's legal status. Neither does it mean that I support any illegal action on Mr Hill's part or any illegal actions levelled against him.

[Fifi]

I nominate Malcolm as he did such a fab job with the Ambulance petition. How about that then? Stuart, if enough people signed it asking you to stop what you are doing, would you stop?

Since it was me who suggested it, I would feel duty bound to help out. Yes, Malcolm's been there and done it recently, so I'd certainly support him doing it if he wanted to. It would have to be worded carefully and, in my opinion, concentrate on Stuart's actions and the fact that he is doing it 'on our behalf'. It would be good to get a definitive view and see whether his actions really had the support of the majority of Shetland.

 

Re a poll - I don't think a poll on here is worthwhile - it would only say what the people on here thought, not the wider population.

[TeeAyBee]

Of course there is a poll on Independence for Shetland here which would suggest that only 37 percent are in favour of maintaining the status quo. Although a Shetlink poll will never relay a true consensus, the poll does seem to run somewhat contrary to some of the feelings in this particular thread.

 

I don't think the current sentiment in this thread has anything to do with the poll. The issue of independence is different from that of Mr Hill's personal crusade. They may have once occupied the same media space but now this thread seems to be about Mr Hill's antics.