Stuart Hill (Captain Calamity) Forvik

[stuarthill]

I don't think the current sentiment in this thread has anything to do with the poll. The issue of independence is different from that of Mr Hill's personal crusade. They may have once occupied the same media space but now this thread seems to be about Mr Hill's antics.

Take me out of the equation. I've already said I will take a back seat if Shetlanders will take over. This is far too important to be a matter of personalities.

From the http://www.forvik.com front page:

1975: In the UK referendum, Shetland was one of only two places to vote NO to staying in the EEC. In common with the UK, Shetland was dragged into the EU without even being asked.

• 1992: A Shetland Times poll showed 62% would like more autonomy.

• 2003: A leaflet circulated with the Shetland Times drew over 1,000 responses asking for more autonomy.

• 2004: A SOUL petition revealed over 1,000 wanted more autonomy.

• 2006: A Tory poll found 77% wanted more autonomy.

[TeeAyBee]

I don't think the current sentiment in this thread has anything to do with the poll. The issue of independence is different from that of Mr Hill's personal crusade. They may have once occupied the same media space but now this thread seems to be about Mr Hill's antics.

Take me out of the equation. I've already said I will take a back seat if Shetlanders will take over. This is far too important to be a matter of personalities.

 

But what if Shetlanders don't want to take over? Why must you push this agenda forward?

 

From the http://www.forvik.com front page:

1975: In the UK referendum, Shetland was one of only two places to vote NO to staying in the EEC. In common with the UK, Shetland was dragged into the EU without even being asked.

 

Hardly in 'common' with the UK if only two places voted NO.

[Fifi]

Take me out of the equation.

It's a little late to request that. You put yourself very much in the picture by choosing your various actions.

I've already said I will take a back seat if Shetlanders will take over.

Hmm, what's the lack of noise? All your sympathetic followers rushing to take over?

[Fifi]

Can I ask Stuart directly, again -

What would happen if it was shown in black & white that you didn't have the backing of the majority of Shetland people?

[Elements of life!!]

I fully agree with you Fifi. I think this whole situation is utterly ridiculous and if Mr Hill had any respect for us Shetlanders he would of given this nonsense up a long time ago!!! And I must say I was completely embarrassed when Martin Clunes visited Forvik and everyone I have spoken too on this is in full agreement with me. This programme was supposed to advertise Shetland to an extent and I thought it made a fool of us.

 

Can I ask something Mr Hill? You keep saying about all these people that are behind you, well where are they as I very little evidence of that on here?

[Roachmill]

It's just a tad obvious that independence for Shetland is a matter for the people to decide. You've identified a possible wedge to drive such a plan forward Stuart, so hats off for that. However, as you may have noticed, your antics haven't gathered the cause "much" (I'm being generous here ) support. Quite the opposite.

 

You'd do far more for Shetland (and any thought of independence) by just letting it go. I think just about everyone is aware of your claims, so any body of people who actually want to go for it already know an angle to take. As it is, nobody wants to touch it with a long pointy stick.

 

"No man is an island" seems quite apt

[MarkusoBruntskerry]

Stuart Hill,

 

I am not a born Shetlander, my family are from Shetland and i have lived here most of my lifeand Shetland is very much a part of me. I have read much of what you have written, you may have a legitimate point but the way in which you have conducted yourself has given you a very negative response for what you are investigating. If it was something you were doing off your own back (a hobby, something you were looking into etc) that would have been fine however you have decided to go down a route with has implications on others (leaving vehicles in dangerous places).

 

Basically that programme you were on made mockery of the Island, you said that you were selling your land to Shetland people but i KNOW you have sold land to people all over the world.

 

and it would be interesting to hear your take on the attached???

 

http://www.forvik.net/ (** mod edit - cleaned up link **)

[Guest Anonymous]

I think that perhaps an notable point about support, or lack of support, for Mr Hill's antics, could be taken from the fact that I have never before seen Shetlinkers so singularly polarized in opposition to anything.

Lord knows even the antics of the SIC tend to get support from a reasonable percentage of Shetlinkers.

[sheepshagger]

Come on now Auld man a couple o dozen folk repeatedly stating their opposition is hardly a singular polarization of the 1700 or so Shetlinkers.

[Guest Anonymous]

Come on now Auld man a couple o dozen folk repeatedly stating their opposition is hardly a singular polarization of the 1700 or so Shetlinkers.

OK, you can look back through the thread and find the supporters..

[stuarthill]

you said that you were selling your land to Shetland people but i KNOW you have sold land to people all over the world.

I don't know where you get your information, but it is incorrect. As it states on my website, the symbolic plots of land are only available to Shetlanders. Please either withdraw this remark, or provide proof.

 

and it would be interesting to hear your take on the attached???

 

http://www.forvik.net/ (** mod edit - cleaned up link **)

 

This is a spoof site that took advantage of the publicity I generated when I started with Forvik. I made the mistake of not registering all the top domain name suffixes when I started and those folk simply capitalised on that. It is so obviously a spoof that I ignore it.

[Spinner72]

I think the problem is the supporters of the core principle (myself, for one), that being the establishment one way or another of Shetlands true legal position, which may or may not lead to the opportunity for a properly organised debate and referendum on an attempt at independance, cannot possibly support a great deal of Mr Hill's antics.

 

Forvik was a good idea, but soon money became involved for all sorts of crazy schemes, and of course the irresposability of having to be rescued thus risking the lives of our lifeboatmen etc, mean nobody will ever back it for the purpose originally intended.

 

Why not stop with the Tax letter and emphasise that. Wait, give it a few years to follow through.

 

Likewise with the landrover. Why not do it properly with a roadworthy vehicle, not previously registered in the UK, parked in a prominent but safe public parking area.

 

People may then have taken the time to understand what was being proposed, and may well have agreed in principle, or at least shown some intrest in the idea and been keen to watch how it developed.

 

The fact that all this could have been done safely, sensibly, and respectfully, is the most frustrating thing of all.

[TeeAyBee]

Please either withdraw this remark, or provide proof.

 

How about you provide the proof about your supposed supporters? Name names.

[ew]

Hi,

This is my first post to any forum, I have followed shetlink for some time and on off the Stuart Hill thread, I have always wondered why people bother to give him the time of day with a thread, but after watching the programme the other night and reading what has been posted since I feel compelled to say something,

I'm a single mum with three kids, 2 of which are very demanding on me because of medical and special needs, and one that is just a toddler, I am self employed, I pay my rent, my council tax, I tax, insure and mot my car, in my spare time I make stuff to sell to the tourists, recently i have had to cut the hours I work to look after one of my children, sometimes I can barely manage to feed them,

So with your great independant Shetland what are you going to do for me and my children?

what is the healthcare going to be?

am I going to have to pay for private care for my children?

and when did you ask me if this is what I wanted for Shetland?

And the questions that I have been desperate to ask,

How do you fund all this?

Do you work yourself to fund this?

Or are am I the tax payer that struggles to feed my own children funding your exploits?

[Spinner72]

Another small question :

 

If any of these avenues ever came to the desired outcome, that being a decision that Scotland/UK has no legal rights over Forvik (and by association, Shetland) - Where exactly would this decision have to be taken?

 

Obviously it cannot be in a British court, since these are not recognised...