Njugle Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 So in my opinion it would only be your highsided vehicles suchs as artics that would be stopped more often than not.. but of the top of my head that si 1 maybe 2 vehicles a day.. which maybe go up to 5 - 10 depending on what growth occurs on bressay after a fixed link is in place. I think i'd be safe in saying the figure would be higher than that seasonally, as the artics carrying offal from the Shetland Catch all go to Bressay. In the peak season the ferry was on charter to run until the small hours of the morning to allow for the volume of Catch traffic. Either fixed link would surely benefit the Catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 If I were behind an offal lorry, I'd rather be on a bridge than in a tunnel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 So in my opinion it would only be your highsided vehicles suchs as artics that would be stopped more often than not.. but of the top of my head that si 1 maybe 2 vehicles a day.. which maybe go up to 5 - 10 depending on what growth occurs on bressay after a fixed link is in place. I think i'd be safe in saying the figure would be higher than that seasonally, as the artics carrying offal from the Shetland Catch all go to Bressay. In the peak season the ferry was on charter to run until the small hours of the morning to allow for the volume of Catch traffic. Either fixed link would surely benefit the Catch. again guessing here.. but i presume peak season is may to july?? when in reality apart from freak occurences the bridge would never be closed.. no idea when peak season is tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stirrer Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Without fail a bridge will go over budget.. I have never heard of a project similar to this that hasn't gone over budget.. but the same goes for a tunnel.. LPA use the reasoning that the bridge will go over the £22.4 million but don't accept that the same is very highly likely to happen with the tunnel. Even if a tunnel and a bridge were both valued at £22.4 million and both were built ( for what ever reason ) I would place a fairly hefty bet that the tunnel would still end up costing more than the bridge.. purely because of the number of unknowns greatly out weigh those unknowns related to a bridge. Interesting that the SIC now accept that they cannot build a bridge for their capped cost of £18.9million, even before the 'hidden' costs are added. 'Iconic' structures certainly come at a price !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Where have you been for the last 2 years Stirrer.. Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: A Bridge too far. Reply with quoteAlso a bridge too many. The bridge cost was to be capped at £17,000,000 but it went to£19,000,000. Now it has reached £22,500,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Assuming the bridge is finally built for £30million, requires maintennance and that a limited stand-by ferry is still required: How many years before the bridge pays for itself? /cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 the origanal time that floated around a couple fo years back was 16 years i believe.. but I couldnt comment on what figures were used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stirrer Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Where have you been for the last 2 years Stirrer.. Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: A Bridge too far. Reply with quoteAlso a bridge too many. The bridge cost was to be capped at £17,000,000 but it went to£19,000,000. Now it has reached £22,500,000 So the 'capped' figure just conveniently rises to be whatever the cost is to build the bridge !! Not really a 'cap' after all then. And there was me thinking the original 'cap' was set at the figure, which if any higher, would mean the ferry option was cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerto Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Where have you been for the last 2 years Stirrer.. Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: A Bridge too far. Reply with quoteAlso a bridge too many. The bridge cost was to be capped at £17,000,000 but it went to£19,000,000. Now it has reached £22,500,000 So the 'capped' figure just conveniently rises to be whatever the cost is to build the bridge !! Not really a 'cap' after all then. And there was me thinking the original 'cap' was set at the figure, which if any higher, would mean the ferry option was cheaper. Surely the cap can fluctuate by the funds available at the time. ferrys IMO wil never be cost effective or atleast until the cost out runs the life span of the bridge/tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Stirrer wroteAnd there was me thinking the original 'cap' was set at the figure, which if any higher, would mean the ferry option was cheaper. Yes I had the distinct impression that the council had decided to build a bridge with a price cap of £19 million or whatever. The only honourable thing for the council to do now is to allow the port authority to get on with the dredging work which matters more to Shetland's prosperity than a bridge or a tunnel. Sometime next year the new council might then take a fresh look at the project. As for external funding surely Europe, London or Edinburgh can be asked to help........or maybe the new council might just decide that the status quo was a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarotangel Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 As for external funding surely Europe, London or Edinburgh can be asked to help........or maybe the new council might just decide that the status quo was a better option. As I understand it there is funding available from Europe for a bridge/tunnel but that it came with a timeframe but not sure what that timeframe is - it could have already run out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouth Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I have ridden across the Dartford bridge in high winds on a motorbike and driven over it in a 16 ton truck. Both experiences made me clench somewhat. Logically though the only sensible solution is a tunnel. It will be so much cheaper in the long run. What for instance is the cost in wage bills alone to keep the ferries pottering back and forth? A bridge will just end up closed too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 There is an alternative to a bridge or a tunnel or even the status quo and that is a reduced ferry service. All of us living in/on Shetland have to accept that the connections to the UK mainland are a handful of expensive flights and one overnight boat. Foula manages with one boat in a blue moon. Skerries folk do not commute to work. Not saying that's how it should be for Bressay but surely a responsible council should be considering all options and producing comparative costings for all those options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Cost of our debate on this so far-£0Cost of Council/LPA debate so far £4,000,000 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 There is an alternative to a bridge or a tunnel or even the status quo and that is a reduced ferry service. Not saying that's how it should be for Bressay but surely a responsible council should be considering all options and producing comparative costings for all those options. The SIC could write a long term plan; how much of each of the below options could they afford given a £x million budget for the next 50 years for transport to Bressay:1) Bridge plus maintenance plus (?compensation to LPA for loss of trade if they are unable to dredge due to the bridge)2) Tunnel plus 50 years maintenance3) Ferries for 50 years (would a chain ferry offer best value for money?) So the sum allocated for the link to Bressay would be fixed. The variable would be which option would offer the best service for the fixed sum of money. Then let the folk living in Bressay have a referendum about which option they would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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