Baron Farkoff Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 All I'm saying is throwing an idiot in gladiator academy when he's ripe for training and sending him off down the path of crime for life should be avoided if at all possible. If the boy is labelled a criminal now then in this day and age, he is boggered for life. If he has a job and is having a go and is just being a knob like a lot are at 18, then yes punish him thoroughly and make him and his mate feel it: we really don't want this sort of thing catching on up here, do we?I have had a gun pointed at me, and despite all attempts at bravado, it does raise delicate issues with incontinence. And pride. And revenge. And all sorts of nasty modernday citylike behaviour which has absolutely no place here. I don't know the guy or the situation, and so i wouldn't like to speculate, but this is a disturbing report, and I think it is right for the authorities to take time to arrive at the correct conclusion rather than jump to the wrong one and do more harm than good over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 and what are the reports going to saY THAT the poor little things have had a hard life and it was a cry for help. they used a gun (even if it was a bb). shame they cant be sent into the army. then they could go running around waving guns around. but of course the army would not want them now they have a conviction. they were shooting at a woman with a pram. lock them up and then do the reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Its amazing the number of, especially teens, who suddenly "start a job" the week before their court appearance date. Makes you tend to speculate how many of them still have the job a week or two after sentencing. A job should be taken in to consideration only insofar as how it affects the person's ability to complete the sentence, there's no point in giving someone an immense number of community service hours if they're working 80+ hours in a week, or fining someone on £60/week of whatever dole money several thousand. I think too, that if someone has a job at the time of sentencing, but loses it before the sentence has been completed, they should be required to return to the court to have their sentence reviewed. A job should not have the slightest influence on whether someone's goes down or not, if "x" number of months is the appropriate sentence for whatever, that should be that, and if they don't have the job when they come out they had when they went it, tough excrement, whit a man dus ta imsell is no ill dun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 ^^ Exactly. The application of law has become a complete farce. There is absolutely no reason why fixed, and strong, punishments should not exist at almost all levels. Letting off a weapon in a public place should hold the same weight be it BB airgun or a sawn off shotgun. What has happened in someone's past, what problems they have, or if they are sorting themselves out, getting a job etc after the fact are (or rather, should be) completely and utterly irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 I read this too, and was equally surprised: your judiciary certainly takes a lighter view of this sort of thing than ours would. We did have a couple of silly kids running round with a BB gun in the south of the island: our Chief Constable made a news announcement that such behaviour would be a met with an armed response, and that if his officers were in any doubt as to whether the weapons fired ball bearings or bullets they would shoot first and ask questions later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Its amazing the number of, especially teens, who suddenly "start a job" the week before their court appearance date. That's marvellous - if that's the case then hurrah for minor crime and its link to increased employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talpa Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 And anyone who thinks that having a pop at childen is not a 'minor' crime should repeat this sentence to themselves...until they do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 And what about the fellow driving him around? Did he not get into any trouble?An excellent point. Seems very odd that the individual is not mentioned further in the report. Looks like teamwork to me. In any case they can't have it both ways. Either the shooter is responsible for his actions, or if not, the driver becomes more culpable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abraxas Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Have te agree, this eejit got off far too lightly. Don't necessarily blame the rozzers fer it tho. The sheriff has a mind o his own an - judgin by a very recent case involving a certain skipper well kent in these parts - the charges are easily changed or dropped altogether on a fairly reg'lar basis. Might have thought he'd could've fallen down the damn stairs a couple o times in the copshop, or resisted arrest an been srayed with that noxious stuff the Met love te use. If it wis my bairn he'd fired at, I'd have that gun shoved so far, he'd be spitting pellets fer weeks! Best still, send the fecker te Iraq or Afghanistan an let him have some fun with his BB gun there! Who sells these bluidy things here anyways? Let's lobby them te stop selling altogether!! PEOPLE POWER !! (ahem, one little blue pill coming right up..... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jz Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 ^^^ It is not the Sherrif's job to decide on the charge a person faces. The Procurator Fiscal decides on that. The Sherrif will of course have the decision on sentencing, which has not yet taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 This one was down to the Sheriff. http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/news_08_2008/60%20year%20old%20admits%20dealing%20heroin.htm A heroin dealer getting community service! If that's not getting off lightly, what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ^^ This was the bit that puzzled me.... ....having fallen under the influence of a young woman who could not be named. Why could she not be named, from how its reported it seems to be insinuated at least that her influence was at least partly responsible for his "out of character" actions. This being the case she was an accessory to the "crime" he was guilty of, and as such should be held accountable. I cannot possibly imagine the circumstances in which she "could not be named", yet her behaviour still remained a valid reason for leniency when dealing with him. To have any faith in the court, it needs to be made public exactly why she "can not be named". As it stands its got all the hallmarks of a "I was just obeying orders sir, sorry, not my fault really" defence, and we know how well that defence worked at Nuremberg, so why is it suddenly working differently 60 years later in Lerwick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ^^^ Too young, I would imagine.^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ^^^ Too young, I would imagine.^^^ It could also be because they don't want to prejudice any trial she may be involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenie510 Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I was absolutely furious when I read the bb gun offender was being charged with a breach of the peace. I thought this reaction was probably because the young mother and child mentioned is my daughter and grand daughter but I am glad to see that so many others feel strongly about this leniency too. The police told my daughter that the same boy was caught doing the same thing just a few days after being caught the first time! I also wondered why no mention of the driver was made. He is just as much to blame for allowing this to happen. A few days later my daughter saw the car in a supermarket car park and confronted the driver. He said it was a one off!! How many pellets does it take to blind a child. She was surprised to see the driver was an employee of the supermarket and although she didn't know his name she said his face went the same colour as his hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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