paulb Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 lrts ban them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Nha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooter Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 It's no da guns dats da problem it's da idiots dats using dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ^^ Exactly! Take away their pop guns and they'll be driving around firing stuff at folk out of catapults next. Bans serve only minimal useful purpose, they just bring out ingenuity in sourcing alternative replacements to do as much harm with. Erase the idiots, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penfold Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I think we can safely say that bans on firearms don't stop people using firearms illegally. And before people start shouting well ban every firearm, I will point you to the fact that at present there are many blanket bans on certain types of firearms in this country and people are still getting access to them and using them to commit crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khitajrah Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Erase the idiots, problem solved.But then there are many different opinions as to what constitutes an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I think, perhaps, for a properly balanced and worthwhile debate, paulb should expound upon his original proposition. Let's see the case for banning BB guns properly argued so that we might have a useful discourse on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styumpie Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Why o' why do people keep wanting to ban things, its very short sighted. I can not understand people who want to hand over our freedom to the state, its like a turkey voting for Christmas. The person misusing the firearm should be delt a very harsh sentence. They will probably let him of lightly as always with a slap on the wrist, and use it as an example to try and impinge more control over us via a ban of some sort, typical wishy-washy slimy lefty thinking, he should be sent to prison. The law abiding people using BB guns should not be punished for this idiots crime. We should have the right to hold any arms we want, provided we are sane and intend to cause no harm to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ^ I think it's because 'ban stuff' is perceived as the easy solution. It doesn't require much though and has a superficially satisfying appeal. Remove the thing we are scared off... if it saves even one life, etc. Usually, though, the people who call for stuff to be banned object very strongly when it is something that they are fond of under scrutiny. It is a hypocrite's legislation. Getting back to BB guns, however, perhaps those in favour of banning BB guns feel that this idea be extended to catapults, paintball markers, archery equipment, etc? Or just this very narrow example which has hit the news recently? (Edit: stray comma) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertieiddabanks Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I remember a drunken weekend in blackpool with some workmates where one of our number purchased 2 bb guns and we spent some time shooting each other at point blank range without any damage and little pain.It's no da guns dats da problem it's da idiots dats using dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Why not ban snowballs and stones as well? Both could also cause serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 ok lets clear a few things up. i posted his thread as a response to a suggestion on another thread.as an air gun owner and soon a .22 rifle owner i have no problem with people owning firearms in whatever form they take. i have no problem with the proper use of firearms whever that is hunting/target/pest control. what i do have a problem with is bb produced to resemble real firearms. i have a problem with the open sale of them in some shops.if a bb gun does have a purpose it should be treated like any other airweapon. not allowed to be desplayed. the sale should be with proof of age and address. the suggestion that they are an armless toy is wrong. they are guns even if they are very weak ones and as such should be treated with respect.im not wanting to ban everthing as a mod suggested. im just very worried when there are two airweapon offences in a week. the idiots with the bb gun have been delt with in another thread. the other is not as bad but he should have lost his gun and maybe have been banned from holding one. he did not seem to have been worried that he scared people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Thank you for coming back and clarifying your position, paulb. If I understand correctly, then, you are calling for tighter regulation, not an outright ban? If so, then I agree with you that proper controls should be in place. Age restrictions and so forth are a good measure to improve the responsibility of owners and, by extension, users. There will always be idiots and, when idiots abuse the privileges afforded them by society, they should be handled accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 i have no problem with the proper use of firearms whever that is hunting/target/pest control. You missed out 'maiming and killing people' (unless that comes under pest control). Not being pedantic but, what is the 'proper' use of firearms? As far as I can figure out, the only purpose of a weapon is to injure or kill. It doesn't matter much which type of animal is selected as a target. The intent is always the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Some 'weapons' are only used for shooting inanimate targets though. Archery is a valid sport, but dangerous in the wrong hands, or when used without proper precautions. Same for paint-ball. There's nothing wrong with a pistol used in a shooting gallery. It's quite something else to take that same item out into public and point it at people. The fault in the second scenario lies not with the weapon, but with the wielder surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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