paulb Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 if you add the cost of two new large ferries and the fuel for say 20 years how can the cost of a tunnel be vastly more expensve. the tunnel would pay for itself with the charges. sell the two ferries would take a few million off the price. using local stone from dredging etc would also reduce the costs. the staff from the ferry can be used to staff the tunnel. the funding should come from the uk/eu and council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Just as another thought...why couldn't the tunnels be fitted with Gentec Venturi energy-changers to provide us with all the electricity we could ever want? I realise that the GT devices aren't optimised for seabed operation but we could lose a little to gain a lot...couldn't we...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 if you add the cost of two new large ferries and the fuel for say 20 years how can the cost of a tunnel be vastly more expensve.Because tunnels are expensive, and a huge chunk (80%, 90%?) of the ferry revenue costs come from the rate support grant? The long term finances are not so easy to do a direct comparison, although no doubt accountas have some formula to work to. - £100m "cash" now for a tunnel, - or a £100m loan and pay it off, - or £2/3m a year on capital ferry costs and £100m spare to put into investments, with Edinburgh money giving you most of the ferry running costs.... at the moment, but not guarenteed to continue forever...........ferry wages contributing to isles ecconomy, vs tunnel money not, but tunnel money bringing other advantages for business, but maybe leading to more commuting/centralisation of services in the long term..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 ^^ See that very succint post there. Even if the figures are slightly out or not ... that's not the point I'm going to make here...! Why can't the SIC detail things like that to the general populus to explain and or educate the great unwashed as to why things are the way they are - or rather have to be?! This is something that has often puzzled me? Everything is a great secret unless you're in the know .... and more often as not people could have all the facts to engage in a weighty meaningful discussion. *ponders on what truths the SIC could actually tell us about!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Just to clarify, I have no inside info at all, so the actual numbers are likely very out, but I think the jist of it is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 What are the main costs of tunneling down to, materials to line the tunnel, labour costs, equipment costs ? People come together for self build housing projects, how about a self build tunnel project.. ? (My thought is that its about time we forget about waiting for councils to do what we want, we need to organise and do it ourselves!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 A diy tunnel. I would suggest that we then could cut the cost by all the nuts and bolts we have left over. were can we buy the kit from Ikea or MFI. who is bringing the spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 People managed such schemes hundreds of years ago, be it the village well, or local canal. With enough volunteer labour and some funding, how much less might it cost per mile to build that way ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ^^^^^ Give all the councillors a spade and pik....HI HO, HI HO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ^^^^^ Give all the councillors a spade and pik....HI HO, HI HO! How about all the drug dealers and drunks who drive cars ect. On community service for a start they could have a tea spoon to dig with and no pik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ^^^^^ A teaspoon with a hole, even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 why fixed links weren't inserted years ago really baffles me to be honest, its aboutr time the council got their fingers out and get them built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Getting them built is not a big problem, they would be national scale projects (a Yell tunnel would be in the top 10 longest sub-sea road tunnels in the world), but nothing that pushes beyond existing techniques. The only real problem is the money, and as in my last post, that's not a simple thing to weigh up beyond saying it'd be a big sum, and that you would need to consider the indirect benefits to make it come out worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooper Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 WHITS WRONG WE DA FERRY SERVICE???...IF YOU DUNA WANT DA HASTLE O FERRYS YOU DUNA HAE TAE BIDE ON A ISLAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudias Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ^ ^ ^Mainland Shetlanders don't have to worry about inter-island ferries yet they live on an island. They do have to worry about Northlink. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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