peeriebryan Posted November 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 (**mod edit - posts taken from another thread) I supported Macs and PCs for years. Well, the truth of the matter was most of the Mac users knew what they were doing, whereas the PC users didn't. I didn't go near the Macs if I could avoid it as I didn't know enough about them. When the system failed at work I always pointed at the Macs. It was never the Macs, there was always a server that wasn't doing its job properly - a Windows server. I have had a PC since CPM, I moved onto DOS 6.2 / Win 3.1 and through all of the versions of wondows to XP. I constantly battled to use the PCs. Sometimes the cock up was on my part, but usually it wasn't. I was spending too much time looking after the PCs. I decided to try Linux. All sorts of different flavours from LOAF to SUSE, with varying degress of success. I tried RISCOS, but when I realised that you had to pay for printer drivers I converted it into a door stop. I was consciously keeping away from Macs, but one day I woke up to news of yet another virus devastating the world of windows and I decided that as Mac was now at OSX with UNIX under the hood I was going to move to Apple. I really didn't expect it to work, but it has. My son constantly mocks me when I tell him that this is a far superior platform for me. It might not work for you especially if you are a games player, but if you use your computer for grown-up things then a Mac might be better, but if you want to use a PC then carry on, but I hope one day you will try a Mac. My only regret is that I did not do this earlier. ...but if you use your computer for grown-up things then a Mac might be better... It's this kind of smug attitude which does the Mac community no favours. What's 'grown up'? Spreadsheets and email? Have fun. I use my PC for all that and then some. I don't really expect a Mac to be the best platform for developing Windows applications and, in my line of work, it's Windows applications that people want... not Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouth Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 My apologies Fjool, it was not meant to sound smug. The argument I always hear against Macs from PC users is that they can't play games on a Mac. You can play games on a Mac. I have nothing recent on my Mac (because I am not that interested in games), Quake 3 being the latest. If I wanted to play games then I would buy a games machine. Many PC users tell me that a PC is the best games machine. Yes, I am more interested in spreadsheets than games. It is part of what I do for a living. I used to be obsessed with games from when Wolf3D came onto the scene, but I would rather do something that provides me with knowledge that will help me earn a living. My gf bought a Mac after months of swearing at the PC when it wouldn't do what she waned it to. She is of the same opinion, "why did I not do this before?". Each to their own, but I would happily buy a Mac for work rather than use the PC that I have been supplied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 It's np. Probably I latched onto this one thing too readily because it struck me as you assuming that I use my PC only for games, rather than 'grown up' things and therefore my opinion is invalid. Thing is: yes, the PC is a great gaming machine. The best, in my opinion. None of the consoles come anywhere close; but this is a topic for another day! But it's not just a great gaming machine. It does everything a Mac does too. Separating the OS argument from the hardware argument: Windows, nor any Microsoft software for that matter, is a mandatory part of PC use. What I like about the PC is the flexibility and power of having an open standard (if that oxymoron can be allowed to slip past for a moment). It is this aspect of the PC which has driven personal computing in the last 10 years. I dislike proprietary standards. (Someone further up the page slags Microsoft for doing this with file-formats) No amount of stylishness and GUI widgetry would have produced the raw desktop power and sheer number-crunchingness that the PC 'standard' has encouraged. Ultimately, the Mac and PC relationship is symbiotic. Apple drive interfaces, the PC drives hardware. Without one, the other would be less than it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin13 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Bit of a story around today about a dude who refused to accept the Windows license on his new Dell laptop (he wanted to run linux) and contacted Dell who gave hime 50 whole squids of a refund. As he pointed out it seems that most people even if they want to run linux have to pay big bad bill anyway, which seems a tad anticompetative. As Macs(well all new ones anyway) now use Intel processors u could say they are really just well designed PC's and you can run the dreaded windows if you wish through either the "boot camp" method with seperate booting or running a virtual machine using for instance paralells desktop. Or you could use Crossover, still a beta though, to run some PC apps using OSX without windows. As to gaming machines well if price was no object vist the Apple store and see what sort of machine you could build around the MacPro, that said however gaming has not been a first priority with Apple for a while and the use of integrated graphics(what were they thinking about!!) has really put the kybosh on any sort of gaming on Macbooks or macmini's. As to software well Hasta la Vista baby cause the leopard is going to bite its head of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I like the idea of a Mac. I think the built quality is very nice, and the XP dual boot option would sort me out for the software I can't get in Mac flavour. But. Just can't get the hardware options I'd like. I'll be building a new desktop PC sometime soon.Dual core, nvidia 7600 or so, 2x1gb ram, 3x 400gb hard drives, 2 of them as a RAID1. Hard to get that anywhere near that setup on the Apple store. Similarly the MacBook Pros look very nice.Option for a 15" screen in 1650x1080? Nope. Oh well then I think the Mac is moving forward with making the right hardware for people to see they CAN move there, but they've not got there for me yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouth Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I'll be building a new desktop PC sometime soon.Dual core, nvidia 7600 or so, 2x1gb ram, 3x 400gb hard drives, 2 of them as a RAID1. Hard to get that anywhere near that setup on the Apple store. mmm - 16gb of RAM in a G5 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouth Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 As a matter of interest what is the maximum RAM you can have in an XP PC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I'd like 16 Gb for sure, can't justify the costs though, either in a Mac or PC. What I'll settle for for now is 2x 1GB sticks and 2 slots free, going to 4GB in the end. So far 2GB has been enough, but moving to HD will no doubt end those happy times. The maximum for 32bit XP is 4Gb, with 3 Gb addressable by a single application. Can't remember what XP64 raises that too, but moving to XP64 would bring me almost as many software issues as moving to OSX, so not going that way for the moment either. I know the Macs are well covered at the high end, and if I was looking at a quad core machine then I think the Mac Pro might well come out the best buy, but at a dual core level there's a bit of a gap in the line up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 The absolute memory limit on the 64 architecture is 2 to the power of 64 which equates to 16 exabytes or 17,179,869,184 gigabytes! 8O There are, of course, artificial ceilings applied as there is no hardware or OS capable of utilising this! I will say though, just to throw this in the mix, that the latest Linux kernel can actively use up to 64Gb as "main" ram on the AMD 64/EM64T architecture and can be configured up to 128Gb. You'll only ever likely to see this on workhorse servers though - unless you have more money than sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeriebryan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 There's some pretty funny new PC vs Mac adverts with Mitchell and Webb from "Peep Show" on the Apple site http://www.apple.com/uk/getamac/ads/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 OK, let's go, mac or pc............ I use a Mac because they work properly. What about you? Precisely why i use a PC! Its all doon tae personal preference at da end o da day. If Macs ran windows, an hed easy tae use powerful software, i wid use dem. Onybody da keens me keens i try everything, but i always come back ta da PC/Microsoft combination purely an simply becis it wirks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeriebryan Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 If Macs ran windows, an hed easy tae use powerful software, i wid use dem The new Macs have been able to run Windows for a while now, and in my opinion, the software that comes preinstalled on them is good enough for 95% of day to day doings. I had to get MS Office and some Macromedia applications, mainly for cross compatibility reasons As you say, horses for courses, or more to the point, it seems to be what you're used to. I use Mac/PC pretty much 50/50 but far prefer Mac OS I've never had any technical problems, crashes, freezes, hardware incompatibilities etc with Mac OS, but I've lost track of the amount I've had with Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 I've never had any technical problems, crashes, freezes, hardware incompatibilities etc with Mac OS, but I've lost track of the amount I've had with Windows Fair point on runnin windows, but dan i've hed OSX runnin on dis thing usin PearPC. Personally i'f i'm gonna run an alternative OS gie me speccy basic every time Seriously though - i kept yun quote becis its exactly da issue i hae wi Macs. Da simple stuff i wanted tae do/use just widna wirk. Dan ageen, you canna blame da machine. I CAN (could) close a matchbox wi a JCB, but i really reccomend a finger... I still enjoy makin me own bits o hardware etc, an dats where da PC really wins fur me. I'll never hae onythin pleasingly asthetic, i need room ta wiggle me elboo's while i'm sticky-tapin da latest add-on in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Mac every time. weak is the god that is Gates in our eyes. Suffer thee of the PC much will be thy ills for thou shall stand not against what thou knows is good and just.Would have answered the poll sooner but my mac had nipped out to cast all my peats and check my creels for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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