Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 [mod]I have attempted to make this mess of threads semi-comprehensible. This has been split from the Wanting to move to Shetland thread. Please note that any misquoting/failure to use the quoting tags correctly may result in posts being removed.[/mod] > you will be lucky to build an out house let alone 1000 houses. One can but try, it does look at first glance at least that Shetland wants to encourage housing to be built and business development, at least compared with the rest of the UK. I'd hate to have to do as some of my colleges suggest and build in Sweden, when I'd much rather help my fellow man in my own country. (Even if its really hard to find someplace to build a new small town!) > come up and set up an iternet company Correct, though I don't intend to move here until I have a nice fat income from starting it here and enough money to buy land and build my own place and a few others, so I can offer cheap rented housing and jobs, in exchange for living in a low crime area. > The only answer I can see is a massive public building effort to> replace those council houses which have been sold off. Agreed, or perhaps private individuals can get together, be it in a cooperative or self financed and do what is needed for the people of the country, rather than expecting the council or government ever to get organised enough to do it for us.. > So why not offer those flats to people on the waiting list even if they> do not have the right number of points? An excellent idea! Who needs politicans when we can figure it out ourselves.. > Maybe we are getting to the stage where we need fenced patrolled> estates to house the most troublesome tenants I had pondered the very idea, I reckon with 20% of the population working as security guards and pulling double duty as street cleaners for example, crime could be kept under check. Though some think that if you have enough jobs for everyone, then crime naturally falls as the saying goes, the devil makes work for idle hands.. > its odd that its the none residents who want to keep shetland "pure" Just want to keep out the majority of freeloaders so it doesn't get spoilt like so much of the country already. > The cost of private renting is seriously damaging the finances> of some people in Shetland Its effecting the entire country as landlords squeeze every last penny from us they can. (Many of my wealthy friends are landlords and think nothing of upping the rent for example last month on a flat from £900 to £1200 because thats what the market will bear.) Due in part to some landlords who took out loans to buy the property in the first place, so they in turn are being squeezed by the banks.. It all strikes me as like another tax on being poor! Something I intend to do something about myself by renting out property far far below market rates at what it costs me to, rather than what fat profit I could make if I was so inclined. (Which also means no loans either.) Those on minimum wage levels are really struggling to afford anything today, with often people overcrowded in a single room to make ends meet, its not uncommon to find 50 people to a single 3 bedroom terrace place here! Think how much more competitive our country could become if we had low housing costs, low labour costs.. > If I moved to Glasgow, or Kent or Orkney, I could get on the> housing list there That is rapidly changing, here in this part of London you need proof that you've lived here for 10 years before you can get on the housing list, and its pretty difficult to prove unless you happen to have, oh say a TV license for every year you was homeless on the streets.. (You have to provide proof for every single month of every year..) And then the council have also introduced a new re-registration scheme thats becoming popular, ever year they send you a letter and if you don't write back, they throw you off the list. (Not everyone of course gets a letter and low betide you if you say you didn't when they insist you must have got one..) > If someone who has lost their job and been evicted and finds> themselves sleeping in a bus shelter, I defy you to explain why> they should not be placed higher on the list than someone in> Sandwick who fancies a council house in town so they can go> out on the piss more easily I quite agree there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 so your not planning to move. you need to get rich before moving up here mmm. your planning to build them with your vast fortune and rent them out for less than your costs (on fetlar) mmmmm!. can i suggest you apply for a loan from the trust you seem to fit the criteria. so apart from your ability to read 2000 forums you have no skills to assist fetlar with there reconstruction. you can of course start you company up here and even get grants to do so. there maybe even a council house for you. or an old croft house lots of older people dying or having to move to a care centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Only a little rich, land is cheap and I'd be happy with a small home to start with. Not necessarly Fetlar for the 10,000 town sized community, but its a good place to start with a 20 people one and go from there. (I have in mind several stages might be best, a 20 people community, then go for a 200 person one, then 2,000, then the full wack of 10,000, not necessarly all in the same place.) I don't wish to get any loans, all built on hand work (Though there might possibly be some EU grants available for this sort of thing I've heard, but I'm not relying on that.) and reinvested in building a community I and everyone else can enjoy living in. I'm not alone in my endeavour, I'm also working with a bunch of Europeans who are also keen to build new communities all over Europe based on marriage between industrialisation, sustainable eco-friendly and more ethical non-exploitation of workers. http://en.technocracynet.eu Whilst not wishing to blow my own trumpet, I have various other skills, enough to build my own home solo if need be, I'm quite happy doing anything from hard manual labour digging trenches to architectural drawings, and having an IQ of 200 comes in awfully handy too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbiniho Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 > you will be lucky to build an out house let alone 1000 houses. One can but try, it does look at first glance at least that Shetland wants to encourage housing to be built and business development, at least compared with the rest of the UK. I'd hate to have to do as some of my colleges suggest and build in Sweden, when I'd much rather help my fellow man in my own country. (Even if its really hard to find someplace to build a new small town!) ok well thats quite a plan so would all these houses be the same or would they be all different?? as to be perfectly honest with you i think that 1000 houses the same would look absolute slester, now i have been involved in building a lot of houses in shetland and i can safely say the ones that are similar to each other are ones for HHA but it is usually confined to two or three semi-detached properties in a sea of private houses, gulberwick is a prime example of this, now the problem with building 1000 houses is that you will want to do it as cheap as possible so all the houses will enevitably be tha same layout, typical small little boxes witha little bit of garden if your lucky, and of course where will you get the money to do this?? are you going to do it out of your own pocket then rent/sell them to the council/hha???? if you are good luck to you, the reason why most building comnpanies in shetland are still in buisness is because they dont build houses expecting to sell them after they are built, they are sold even before a digger touches the field therefor guarenteeing that they cannot be caught out by the fall in house prices as has happened to a lot of companies south for example persimmon/redrow etc who have had to cut there workforce by thousands (maybe this is where you expect to get your workforce from). another point where are you thinking of sticking these odd 1000 houses??? all in one massive clump or spreading them out??? also whats the expected timsescale on this project?? anybody know how many houses have been built in shetland in the past say ten years???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbiniho Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 digging trenches this isnt the war you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nigel, do you not think it might make more sense to visit Shetland and find out if it's actually the place for you, and think about what kind of business ideas might actually work and be useful here, rather than designing some kind of electronic hobbit version of New Lanark from your home in Southall and imposing it on the poor folk of Fetlar? There are lots of places in Britain where building a new town would be more realistic and useful than it would here. Your ideas sound, frankly, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 >...and having an IQ of 200 comes in awfully handy too However, having an IQ less than 200 means that one finds it posible to learn how to do qoutes properly. and having an IQ of 200 comes in awfully handy too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I was going to write something similar to malachy, but he beat me to it.I wonder sometimes if you're one of the 5million that have never been past the Watford Gap.Only a little rich, is a bit like saying your only a little poor. You'll find folk up here aren't generally short of a two bob either, which means they'd rather design and build their own homes rather than line some radom bloke's pockets.and having an IQ of 200 comes in awfully handy too Funnily enough so has my peerie brother, hands up, who in this forum would trust him to build them a home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 An IQ of 200 makes you the second smartest person in the world, Nigel. Congratulations. I think you should get some of the record books updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 What's the topic of this thread again? I feel somewhat lost reading through the last couple of pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 For christs sake Nigel come to Shetland first. When we have a 100mph screamer from the Artic due, we'll give you a call, that should make your mind up one way or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Medziotojas, the topic is how many Frogs live on Fetlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jps Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 the 10,000 town sized community, So do you intend to get approx 50% of the population of Shetland to move to your new town or do you intend shipping up 10,000 people from the mainland & elsewhere to live in your proposed community. Also when all these people move in to your ultra cheap rented houses where are they supposed to work? Where are you going to place your sewerage plant your power station your hospital your schools etc etc etc. Sounds like the perfect utopia I seem to recall some people in the past having similiar thoughts you might have heard of them they where called communists in a little country called Russia & things worked out perfectly there didn't they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Perhaps they will be 10.000 wild Amazonian women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 ...or perhaps ebayian ...sorry, I'll get my coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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