kittybee Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 thought i would start a thread for discussing dogs and puppies.... i think it is well needed, looking at the recent "rants" on other threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I've nothing against folk selling/giving away living creatures in the Shetlink listings, and I've nothing against folk who feel the need to be the active public conscience on the moral/ethical/welfare treatment of all living creatures, but advice/comments from the latter to the folk doing the former belong in PM, not posted publically on a thread. Its of no relevance or interest to anyone else than the two people concerned, so keep it between those two people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittybee Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 we bought my mam a beautiful red setter pup last xmas..... - OH HORROR I HEAR SOME SAY.... but he was a much searched for and long awaited new family member.We are all delighted with him, and love him very much.He is a very highly bred dog, with a crufts champion bloodline.however, he has had no end of health problems, and has had 2 big operations so far.....(he was 1 year old last week!)I feel it is very sad that intensive breeding has led to these kinds of health problems with a breed which used to be a very hardy type of dog.does anyone else have setters in shetland just now who could tell me their experiences of them, or even anyone who has previously had setters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercloud Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hi, I put my hands up and apologise my post should have gone PM. Having bred Golden Retrievers I do not intense line breed,I do, do any necessary health tests and only breed within strict guidelines.One of my dogs not bred by me although parents passed for number generations for eye conition her eyes failed and therfore I never bred from her despite her doing very well at major championships shows and qualifying for Crufts.However some breeders do contiue to breed and can get round the system and also convince unsuspecting pet potiential owners that certs are not necessary because they are not showing etc.Its is very wrong but it goes on all the time and not with just eye condition ,hips and hearts as well. Unfortunately the BVA schemes are the best we have at the moment and when the scheme is not abused can work very well.Unfortunately some breeders are driven by greed and when they having a promising young dog doing well at show level ,when they any one of a health testsit may fail instead of not using it any breeding they do and that when we seeing alot more problems. I too have experience plenty of mongrels with hip and eye problems too.All we can do is our best with sensible responsible breeding of pure bred dogs unfortunaely for every good breeder there are same breeding whether for show or pet who don't or share the same passion and committment that so many wonderful breeds need, to try and produce strong healthy animals whether for pet or show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 A dog is not just for Christmas - plan it right and there should be enough left for the Boxing Day curry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsis Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 There are far too many people who breed from their 'pedigree'dogs because they want to make a fast buck and there are others, equally irresponsible, who say 'It will be nice for her to have puppies.' Er, why? Doesn't the dog get a say in it? And what happens to said puppies? There are far too many unwanted dogs in this country and a lot of them end up being shoved from one owner to another and develop behavioural problems on the way and finish up in a rescue centre. As for the breeding of dogs 'to breed standard' and causing health problems for these poor innocent creatures just so they can conform to standards set out by some fool in the kennel club...... these idiots should be made to suffer like the dogs have to suffer! I notice Pedigree Dog Foods have withdrawn their sponsership of Crufts in protest to said breeding standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 There are far too many people who breed from their 'pedigree'dogs because they want to make a fast buck Absolutely agree with you. and there are others, equally irresponsible, who say 'It will be nice for her to have puppies.' Er, why? Doesn't the dog get a say in it? I can't agree with you on this point, every living thing (yes even plants) has an inbuilt "need" to procreate, to carry on the species.If (and some are) dogs were allowed to run free, they would breed like rabbits, that's nature. And what happens to said puppies? There are far too many unwanted dogs in this country and a lot of them end up being shoved from one owner to another and develop behavioural problems on the way and finish up in a rescue centre.I am currently looking at The Bull Terrier re-homing site. As we have recently lost one and have one aged 12. As for the breeding of dogs 'to breed standard' and causing health problems for these poor innocent creatures just so they can conform to standards set out by some fool in the kennel club...... these idiots should be made to suffer like the dogs have to suffer! I notice Pedigree Dog Foods have withdrawn their sponsorship of Crufts in protest to said breeding standards.Absolutely agree with you again.If you follow the link to the Bull Terrier re-homing scheme, you will see there is a disproportionate amount of Bull Terriers looking for new homes in Kent, I have no idea why that should be, unless there are a disproportionate amount of breeders down there. And so, a lot of interbreeding. "shrugs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsis Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I agree it's nature to procreat but my point is that there are too many unwanted dogs/cats as it is. It is the resposible thing to have your pet neutered. There is no danger of dogs and cats becoming extinct! It would mean the numbers of dogs in rescue centers was reduced. Spare a thyought for all those poor animals, the results of the 'nice to have puppies brigade who end up unloved and mistreated because they have commited the crime of turning from a cute pup into a great big hungry dog that nees time and money spent on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I seem to recall being told by a vet that, while breeding a bitch somewhat reduces the occurence of cysts later in life, the risks incurred in birthing were considerable, however natural it is. One of our dogs once produced a litter of ten who were dead/died without exception. No explanation. The siring was unbeknownst to us after she was 'nipped' by a roaming male. Burying ten beautiful tiny pups fairly makes you think twice about breeding for 'the wonder' of it. I could also add that bitches I have known of to be fixed have on average outlived those of similar origin that weren't, over the years. No science proffered, just anecdotal testament. I also seem to recall the excuse of a serial dog breeder of some repute describing her reason for not preventing successive litters as being that the dog and bitch 'were so in love'. In love perhaps, (the male especially!) but the bitch was literally....well....tired, I shall say. Successive breeding can lead to a bitch having bones as weak as twigs due to decalcification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I agree it's nature to procreat but my point is that there are too many unwanted dogs/cats as it is. It is the resposible thing to have your pet neutered. There is no danger of dogs and cats becoming extinct! It would mean the numbers of dogs in rescue centers was reduced. Spare a thyought for all those poor animals, the results of the 'nice to have puppies brigade who end up unloved and mistreated because they have commited the crime of turning from a cute pup into a great big hungry dog that nees time and money spent on it. Tread carefully, "dog/cat/pup/etc" could be exchanged for "human" and the resulting statement would be equally true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsis Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Don't talk rubbish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 ^^ Take a look around you! You won't look far to find a few examples of the "nice to have a baby" brigade, who once the kid grows up a bit they lose interest and haven't a clue what to do with them. Result we have sundry kids and teens running round feral, who turn in to total a**hole adults, all of which are a major pain for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Don't talk rubbish! Not totally rubbish. Far too many unwanted children in the UK and I shudder to think how many in less developed parts of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girzie Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Too true. Look at the latest news about Baby P. Nobody wanted him, poor fellow and didn't care and he was an unfortunate victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals founded in 1824 National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children founded in 1884. Do the British really care more about animals than children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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