Kosher and Halal meat

[Styles]

I love the taste of flesh, but even i think kosher and halal meat is maybe not right in a country that likes to say it loves animals. The pain and suffering that the animals feel must be amazing, but as long as they can get away with their torture.

[crofter]

I love the taste of flesh, but even i think kosher and halal meat is maybe not right in a country that likes to say it loves animals. The pain and suffering that the animals feel must be amazing, but as long as they can get away with their torture.

 

Can this be the same styles who likes to torture polecats?!

 

I thought they would make more sounds drownding, i mind being so disapointed they didnt make much of a noise, ruined a good day, we will burn them next time to see it thats any better.

[Evil Inky]

I love the taste of flesh, but even i think kosher and halal meat is maybe not right in a country that likes to say it loves animals. The pain and suffering that the animals feel must be amazing, but as long as they can get away with their torture.

 

Can this be the same styles who likes to torture polecats?!

Funny how an opportunity to have a go at Jews and Muslims has turned Styles into an animal rights activist.

[sheepshagger]

So from reading the above we can assume it is OK to have a go at styles for torturing animals but not muslims or jews.

Just where do we draw the line?

What behavior is unacceptable when perpetrated by an athiest but ok when done in the name of religion?

If we have to spend millions on slaughter houses to keep in with european law is it by divine right that they do not?

[Ertieiddabanks]

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&Player=wm

 

Do not watch if you are in any way squeamish. This is the standard way jews and muslims kill animals. No humane killers just pure religious brutality.

 

(This is a kosher slaughterhouse but muslim halal decrees the animal must be tortured in exactly the same way).

[Evil Inky]

So from reading the above we can assume it is OK to have a go at styles for torturing animals but not muslims or jews.

Er.. no. It's just that Styles is somewhat selective in the animal rights he promotes: he doesn't seem to be bothered by veal crates, battery farms, vivisection, or indeed torturing wild animals for the sheer hell of it, so I find his sudden concern with halal and kosher slaughter practices to be somewhat surprising.

[Malachy]

While I agree that halaal and kosher slaughtering methods unneccesarily prolong death for the animal, I think it's a bit unfair to single out jews and muslims on this. I think there are many jews and muslims who would be utterly horrified by that video, just as many christians would be horrified if they saw how animals died in some 'normal' slaughterhouses. It's the industrialisation of death that is shocking, more so than the method of killing. In actual fact, both halaal and kosher demand that respect is shown to the animal, and clearly that is not the case in the video.

Closer to home, I suspect you'd find that many home killed animals in Shetland will be done without the use of a humane killer, and in the past all animals would have been killed that way.

So I do agree that there should be no religious justification for prolonging an animal's suffering. But animals don't just suffer by the hands of jews and muslims.

[Malachy]

Interesting piece on wikipedia about that video (Grandin, referred to here, is apparently 'the leading American designer of commercial slaughterhouses):

 

In an investigation by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, undercover video was obtained of Kosher slaughtering practices at a major Kosher slaughterhouse run by Agriprocessors in Postville, Iowa.[36] The methods used there involved clamping the animals into a box which is then inverted for slaughter, followed by partial dismemberment of the animal before it was dead. Those methods have been condemned as unnecessarily cruel by PETA and others, including Grandin and the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, but are endorsed by the Orthodox Union,[37] which supervises the slaughterhouse. An investigation by the USDA resulted in some minor operational changes. A lawsuit under Iowa law is pending. Grandin's comment was "I thought it was the most disgusting thing I'd ever seen. I couldn't believe it. I've been in at least 30 other kosher slaughter plants, and I had never ever seen that kind of procedure done before. ... I've seen kosher slaughter really done right, so the problem here is not kosher slaughter. The problem here is a plant that is doing everything wrong they can do wrong".[38]