Muppet Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I think wheelie bins can't come soon enough. it solves the problem of where to store full bags till da essy kert comes, keeps the maas away too. As far as I can make out, it's not going to be compulsary for anyone, but is being introduced for Businesses, so households can opt in if they want to. That way, people who want them can have them, people who want to see how they work can wait and get them if they prove ok. There will always be situations where they are not workable, flats, lanes, disabled/elderly people etc., but his way people are free to use whatever system suits them best. Full marks to the Council for once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 when I lived up north we had old fashioned metal bins, nice and heavy so didn't go anywhere when it was windy. I wouldn't bank on it in Shetland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Maybe Shetland would need concrete ones to stop them blowing away Having it not compulsary does sound a most excellent idea, we could certainly do with some down to earth thinking like that here! I believe they are contractors, and yes I'd tend to agree that from what I have heard/seen, that when farmed out to the private sector, things go down hill. I would have thought it woudln't be beyond the means for any plastic wheelie bin to be designed with a concrete insert in mind to help keep it upright, or perhaps have its sides and tops redesigned to let the wind flow and not catch anything.. Interestingly, one of the arguments for wheelie bins is that it reduces the chance that rats/etc. can get at the rubbish, only the plastic they use isn't very rat proof as they can eat their way through it.. (Bit more joined up thinking needed their..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groilick Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 ^^^^^Tae empty wheelie bins da Cooncil needs tae buy new Essie KertsNew Essie Kerts ir expensiveFortnightly collections means less Essie KertsWheelie bins are da only wey tae store domestic bruck fur twa weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamnSaxon Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Funny how rubbish is turning into a sort of continuous low-level joke. It never used to be any sort of cause for concern. We've had the green bins in Nottingham for a fair few years now - and yes, empty ones do blow over (or, occasionally, along, which is fun) even in our modest urban winds. They haven't been much of a problem apart from that, mainly because they're twice the size of a proper dustbin so you can stick that much more in them before having to call the special collection operatives. Just lately, though, they've introduced "your new recycling service" - which roughly translates into "our new rubbish collecting system where you sort it all out for us". We now have (a) brown bins, the same size as the green ones, for paper, card, clean, dry plastic and tin cans; ( a tray which fits inside (a), for glass (all colours); © a "Food Scraps" bin, with special biodegradable plastic bags for you to keep in your kitchen (and which have a strangely repulsive feel to them); and (d) the good old green bin, for "everything else". Green and brown bins are emptied on alternate weeks, food bins weekly. Now, we're already having problems with the new system in our house - 3 flats, students downstairs and a couple of aging twozzers above - since the landlord (privatised council department) fitted us out, this summer, with a set of impregnable, locking steel gates, front and back. Now, the gates don't keep undesirables out at all - two weeks after they were fitted, the front door was literally kicked in by a gang of yobs, at 11:30 one night, no fun, I can tell you - but legitimate visitors, postmen, dustmen etc. soon notice that there are no external bell pushes with which to attract our attention. Until our dear landlord gets round to fitting those - it's only been six months - visitors are strictly by appointment only, and dustmen only if one of us has remembered to open the gate or take the bins out the night before. Score right now: two green, one brown, one glass tray and one food bits (evil-smelling) all full. It's even better just down the hill from here. That's an area mostly populated by transients of all nations. Understandably, most of them neither know nor care about rubbish regulations, and just bag up the rubbish (if that) and leave it in the nearest bin. Many of them have minimal English, if any, and in any event, if you're not going to be in a place for long, you don't care. As a result, most of the bins in the area are already full, each bearing a little sticker announcing that, on account of containing illegal rubbish, this bin has not been, and will not be, emptied. Black bags, bulging with yet more illegal rubbish, pile up on and around them. I swear you'll need a machete soon, to hack your way along some of the back alleys. If it weren't for the fact that it's a stinking hazard to health and safety, it'd be just another bit of the sort of strangely surreal stuff you encounter in town. As it is, I take a kind of grim pleasure in just watching it all develop, wondering how the local rat population is enjoying it. You must admit, the blunt officious refusal to remove unsorted rubbish is a masterstroke. Yeah, that'll really help matters along, won't it? Don't get me wrong - I'm entirely in favour of recycling. We've been wasting far too much of everything for ever, and need to change our ways. Whether the official mind is capable of implementing a system which actually accommodates the fact that a lot of people aren't going to know or care about it, though, I don't know. The UK seems to have spawned a whole generation of little tits in offices who try and force the population into one or another imperfectly thought out way of behaving, vast tiers of middle management who know nothing about the workings of what they're supposed to be managing, but who "know how to manage", but no-one who actually learns enough about Real Life to propose a workable system. Don't fight the wheelie bins. They're only Act One. Get a few drinks in, settle down and enjoy the show. Give 'em a few years, you'll be tripping over bins and bags of "illegal rubbish" like everyone else. Make up jokes about it all. Write to the Sun if you get a particularly outstanding story. If the rest of the country's going mad, you might as well join in - you're already allowing Lerwick to be infested with CCTV, after all. Let 'em play, and make a lot of noise about everything that goes wrong. Oh, and it might be worth getting a brazier, to be ready for when the probably inevitable multi-bin system - sorry, "your new recycling service" - turns up. Ash blows away even better than illegal rubbish, and especially in a force ten. Sorry, I'm rambling again. Too much time off Shetlink enjoying the strangely surreal stuff of "real" life. About the little tits in offices, mind, I am entirely serious. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bridgman-Elliot Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 DamnSaxon says just about everything I could say on the subject, its the same here in London. (Unless you happen to be a wealthy lawyer friend of mine who gets her rubbish no matter what it is, emptied 13 times a week and looks at you with that, 'what problem?' look only a laywer could muster..) I would make an effort to recycle myself, but for some reason the new recycling smaller bins make excellent boxes for people to store stuff in and they vanish from your garden quicker than anything. (I have tried telling the council, and they do eventually come and deliver some, usually ones of the type we already have, but bless them they do try. Even if some departments still require you to fax them and not yet managed to get into email..) The smell in the summer from the food waste bins is truely sick inducing, walking down the street on a hot rubbish collection day, or during the rest of the time they sit in peoples backgardens, so the smell out there isn't any better! There is hope though, a Yorkshire man has setup his own waste business and they take anything for something like a pound a bin empty. Interestingly, the local shops are doing a roaring trade in braziers, you can smell the sweet smell of burning plastics and all other manner of I'm sure poisonous and terribly illegal to burn substances now filling the air instead of landfill.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I have to admit that i was very much against the "Wheelie Bin System when I stayed In West Lothian...It is not easy to fit 3 different coloured bins into a small front garden to say nothing of how unsightly it looks...The council agreed that it was not compulsery to have then but!!! If you opted out of any one of the bins (Blue for paper,Brown for garden waste,Grey for general )they would not empty the grey one If it contained "contaminated waste! otherwise anything that was supposed to go in any of the other bins....There was little or no concession for those eldely peeps who had to drag bins up and down stairs and along long lanes...I am all for recycling but cannot see how this will work in the high winds we have here...I do think that a separate bin for Glass could be placed in the Essie...I found It a very complicated system to get used to,and it was not popular all all when introduced ....I lived on Luing when they tried to introduce them and we had to pay £56 for the pleasure of owning one....Are the Council going to charge us for these bins? and where is the money coming from to get this system up and running? We are constanly being told by the Council that there Is no money to carry out the running programe to bring our kitchens and bathrooms up to an acceptable standard....but it seems that our "Wheelie Bins" will be state of the art...Just another load of Council Rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peerie Tr00ker Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I cant see them working up here. You'd get one grey bin that was emptied every 2 weeks and that was for normal rubbish, then you'd have the blue bin for paper and that was emptied the week after the grey bin. Then in summer months you'd have a brown bin for grass cutting and that would get emptied the same day as the blue bin. When I lived south there was a few mornings I woke to find the contents of my wheely bin blown up the street. Living here and having strong winds nearly everyday I cant see it working I just had to take my bin from the back of the house round to the front and that was a pest, it would be even worse up here where houses are up long drives or bumpy roads Also think of streets in Lerwick like Leslie Road, its bad enough trying to park you car can you imagine the bin men having to squeeze wheely bins through the cars in Shetland weather, not a good idea Sometimes the truck couldn't get up our road as it was a one way street so we'd have to was 2 weeks till they came for the bin and by that time it would be overflowing, but they would only take whats in the bin so half our street would end up doing an extra run to the tip every now and again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobydoo Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Just enquiring if anyone has found a cheep quick release clamp that can secure a wheelie bin to a strainer post and - this is the key part- survive a good going Shetland breeze?I've looked on-line and found a few clamps, but they're all pretty expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Something like this on a piece of rope/chain? http://www.missionmotos.com/Templates/marsee/big/RM_BEANR_Carabiner_high.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineer21 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Wheelie bins..... Not a chance I'm using one! You will prob be forced to buy it as well! Some of us take pride in house an I def don't want ugly wheelies lying about! I built a rubbish box into my fence so it blends in and stores bags out of sight of the gulls! Why would a council that's trying to save money want to buy 7000 bins plus 4-5 new bin lorrys? None of this makes any sense! Go to a two week collection ok fair enough, crap for us all but maybe that's life least your spending 1000s to save pennies!! The numptys that bring up these subjects need to be shown the door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmie Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 The principal sounds good, but i'd have to push it a quarter mile into the predominant wind direction,to the nearest council road. I could do it now but in ten years I might not be fit to do it. Also it would need some kind of docking station at ther end of out track for the half a dozen houses using them, otherwise it probably fly over my head on the way back to the house. I used to put normal dustbins -out weighed down with concrete, but they never lasted a winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Biggins Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 It's probably escaped your notice thus far, but it looks like The Council already has, at least, 3 Essy Kerts with the gubbins to handle Wheely Bins - They're already using them in Lerwick, and South, and probably other places too.You just have to look at the cleanliness of some of Lerwick's previously litter-strewn streets on collection day to see the positive difference they're making, and as far as I'm aware, nobody's been killed, maimed or disfigured by them in the two or so years they've been on the go, even in the "exposed" South Mainland. As far as saving money goes, The Council's under no obligation to provide, free of charge, ANY waste container for our use. It IS, though, entirely empowered under the Environmental Protection Act... http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/43/section/46 ...to stipulate which containers we use if we want them (or their contractors) to collect our waste.A quick glance at The Council's own website... http://www.shetland.gov.uk/waste/Purchasewheeliebinblackbags.asp ...and a little bit of a sum, will tell you that the cost of black bags over three years would easily outweigh the cost of providing a wheely-bin.And when you consider that The Council has to replace vehicles as they get old and knackered, they'll probably be replacing old stock with wheely-bin capable trucks, financially, at least, the future has to be wheely-bin shaped. Oh, and as far as securing a bin against the elements is concerned...I'm sure I saw these for sale at a Lerwick retailer... http://www.andeng.co.uk/pages/content.asp?PageID=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmie Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Oh, and as far as securing a bin against the elements is concerned...I'm sure I saw these for sale at a Lerwick retailer... may be the council will put up a wall or fence nearby to secure it to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Some of us take pride in house an I def don't want ugly wheelies lying about! Surely though, you would only be putting your wheelie bin out on the morning the essy kert was due and taking it in again at the end of the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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