Proposed Blydoit Abbatoir at Scalloway

[roadslave]

No possible Caesar - the costs of shipping up and down would be very prohibitive; plus the days you would lose off its shelf life would be unworkable; also the live animals get stressed in the shipping process and that impacts on the meat.

Not really roadslave, the cost of sending a coo sooth for slaughter is under a tenner and all meat products benefit from being hung before consumption. The only factor there is the stress of travel which, if followed by a few Kobe style days in pasture, would soon be overcome. We already experience the cost of shipping meat back up (cheaper NZ lamb in the shops than local lamb). Leaving those that have access to home-consumption, whole butchered lambs exactly where they are now, with cheap high quality produce.

 

I maintain it is not cost-effective. ever tried working in the meat trade? every single pound counts. Especially in lambs, cattle isnt so bad.

 

another factor which adds to the problem is the high charges abattoirs take for commerical kills - over £15 usually

[nederlander]

I thought the idea in this day in age was to lower the amount of food miles we incur?

[EM]

Whether against the proposal, for it, or somewhere in between, there seems to be a consensus that housing and industry are best kept apart. This gets me thinking of Prince Charles' controversial comments on architecture back in the 80's. He was widely derided for his taste in "fake" "olde worlde" styles, but there was one aspect of his views which was more interesting. He argued that the best places to live (except for a palace or stately home one supposes ) mix housing with business, including light industry. The example he used is the Italian renaissance town. I think there is a lot to be said for that, the resulting vibe makes the residents feel more alive etc., than those living in zombiefied sterile suburbs.

 

Now I expect that most will scream "But there is a world of difference between 'light industry' and a meat processing factory!." I did, however, encounter a similar situation back in the mid 90's. I had to go to the meat packing district of Manhatten to meet an artist who had her studio there. The classic gangster and mafia district was in the process of being gentrified. The whole area was filling up with artist's studios, along with the associated yuppie/luvvie hellery of vegan delis, juice bars etc. To my absolute amazement in between these up-market shops there were still loads of old style meat packing businesses. Blood and guts everywhere as they wheeled the carcasses past the arty establishments. I expect that it will not be like that now, but it was indeed an interesting environment.

[Ghostrider]

^^ The local equivalent of course being the "arty" "Picture Palace" and "yuppie" (of the day) licensed establishment next door, along with one of the town's premier businesses (of the day) above them. While it's owner, one of the town's "gentry", resided in a substantial "mansion" below them, and numerous other members of the public resided, as they do yet, in the cross street at the very top, viewing it all. While on the other side the Market Green, with its slaughterhouse quite happily herded in livestock (albeit a few who'd come by the scenic route, having escaped and run amock for a time - including the lamb that jumped the fort, stove in the roof of a car below, ran the length of the street to the Cross, then launched itself in to the peerie dock, all of this with it's butcher owner in hot pursuit, who promptly launched himself in to the peerie dock to retrieve his escaped tomorrow's dinner, but that's another story), carted around barrow-loads of guts etc, and stiff carcases were carted away.

 

It all seemed to look very much like a industrious and reasonable happy co-existence to me, with no-one particularly put out by it, or having any great amount of nusiance caused by the others and their very different and diverse activities.

[MuckleJoannie]

New road then. Off the Scalloway--Burra road between the junction and the new houses. Maybe keep the land either side for industrial units. If, as has been mentioned, there are no planning ground for refusing the application then at least a new road would lessen the impact on the houses.

 

 

Have you been to Scalloway recently? The whole area from the Burra junction South for about a mile is now solid housing.

[Caeser]

Anybody know how many cattle and sheep are currently slaughtered each year in Shetland? I don't want an SMLG fowrard business plan figure just the actuals will do nicely.

[roadslave]

Anybody know how many cattle and sheep are currently slaughtered each year in Shetland? I don't want an SMLG fowrard business plan figure just the actuals will do nicely.

 

not sure exactly on 2008

 

2007 was roughly 9,000 lambs and 50 odd cattle

 

est on 2008: 7,000 lambs, 60 odd cattle

[MuckleJoannie]

The Planning Board will discuss the application for the conversion of the fish factory to an abbatoir on Wednesday 22 April. You can read the report here

 

In assessing planning applications the presumption is in favour

of development that is in accordance with the development plan,

unless other considerations outweigh the policies of the plan.

No material considerations have been found which would

substantially outweigh development plan policy, and no

justifiable planning reasons for refusal have been found by the

Planning Service.

 

Recommendation

10.1 In compliance with Development Plan Policy it is recommended

that this application be approved subject to the following

conditions:

Conditions

(1) The development hereby permitted shall not be carried out

other than wholly in accordance with the following plans and

details unless previously approved in writing by the Planning

Authority:

􀁸􀀃 Location Map

􀁸􀀃 Site Plan

􀁸􀀃 Explanatory Statement

􀁸􀀃 Site Layout Plan, Drawing no 274/P/01

􀁸􀀃 Proposed Internal Layout, Drawing no 274/P/02

received by the Planning Authority on 8 January 2009

Reason: For the avoidance of doubt as to what is being

authorised by this permission.

(2) The use hereby permitted shall be commenced within five

years of the date of this permission.

Reason: To comply with Section 58 of the Town and Country

Planning (Scotland) Act 1997.

(3) There shall be no external lairage of animals at any time

outside the building.

Reason: In the interests of amenity and public health in

compliance with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4

and Shetland Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP

COM14.

(4) There shall be no storage of goods, materials or waste

products of any kind outside the building.

Reason: In the interests of amenity and public health in

compliance with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4

and Shetland Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP

COM14.

(5) The use of the development hereby permitted shall not

commence untill the fencing and gate as shown on drawing no

274/P/01 has been constructed.

Reason: In the interests of amenity and public safety in

compliance with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4

and Shetland Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP

COM14.

(6) No vehicles carrying animals or removing waste from the

site shall park or wait on the roads outside the application site

between the application site and the road B9074 at any time.

Reason: In the interests of amenity and public safety in

compliance with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4

and Shetland Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP

COM14.

(7) The meat processing facility and abattoir use for the building

hereby permitted shall only operate between 09.00 and 17.00

hours, Monday to Saturday, unless otherwise agreed in writing

by the Planning Authority.

Reason: To protect the residential amenity of the occupiers of

neighbouring properties by reducing disturbance, in compliance

with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4 and Shetland

Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP COM14.

( Prior to the use of the building as a meat processing facility

and abattoir hereby approved taking place, the concrete slab in

the north east corner of the site shall be removed.

Reason: To ensure adequate manoeuvring space for vehicles

within the site in the interests of public safety and in compliance

with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4 and Shetland

Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10.

(9) Prior to any further processing of any carcasses or

butchered meat products following slaughter taking place, full

details of any processes proposed for the site shall be submitted

to and approved in writing by the Planning Authority.

Reason: In the interests of amenity and public safety in

compliance with Shetland Structure Plan (2000) Policy GDS4

and Shetland Local Plan (2004) Policy LPNE10 and Policy LP

COM14.

[Njugglebreck]

^ That would be all hunkydory if the existing slaughter houses were not working to capacity already, hence the need for a new one.

 

What gives you the idea that they're at full capacity? - They only work 1-2 days a week

[sheepshagger]

Fact, Shetland is a rural environment and with that comes all sorts of rural activities farming being the primary one. If you do not wish to live with rural activities on your doorstep please feel free to leave for somewhere a bit more urban.

[Mattie]

Would you actually like an abattoir facing within metres of your house? I think not!!

The abattoir shouldn't be allowed as it is adjacent a new housing scheme.. Primarily for families!! - Mostly large!!

Several of the houses look onto the site.. within feet!!

Do they really have to put up with the sound and smell of slaughtered animals on their back door?

I think not!!

The Planning Permission for the Abattoir is debated next Wednesday in the Council Chambers!!

Get along!!

NO SLAUGHTERHOUSE FOR BLYDOIT!!

Regading a rural environment.Blydoit ain't one!! SheepShagger.. Regarding your comment of heading south and staying in Urban.. I am Shetland Born and proud.. So there!!

[sheepshagger]

Regading a rural environment.Blydoit ain't one!!

 

It was a rural environment complete with industrial site and fish factories before some muppet decided to build houses there.

 

SheepShagger.. Regarding your comment of heading south and staying in Urban.. I am Shetland Born and proud.. So there!!

 

then you really should know better then, wheesht we de boy an whet de pleepsin

 

An move ta lerick never mentioned sooth

[MuckleJoannie]

Regading a rural environment.Blydoit ain't one!!

 

It was a rural environment complete with industrial site and fish factories before some muppet decided to build houses there.

 

There were quite a lot of houses there before the fish factory, ie the SIC ones and a number of private ones. The only muppet is the one who gave permission for the fish factory. That type of development belongs at Blacksness.

[JustMe]

Couple of thoughts here ahead of Wednesday's meeting. First is that it is a planning application and must be decided on planning grounds rather than on thoughts that Shetland needs an abattoir or that it is a pity to leave the building empty.

 

Second thought is that it might well strengthen any objectors argument if they could produce ideas for a suitable use for the building or details of similar proposals being rejected elsewhere.

 

Maybe a third idea.........would it be possible to dismantle the building and move it to a more suitable side such as the old Shalders garage?.

[Ghostrider]

Maybe a third idea.........would it be possible to dismantle the building and move it to a more suitable side such as the old Shalders garage?.

 

Almost certainly possible, but also very probably only minimally cheaper and no quicker than building new on an alternative site, which rather defeats the point of having anything to do with the Blydoit building at all.

 

The SIC in their infinite "wisdom" decreed it was "okay" to have residential and industrial in the proximity that existed when the building in question was constructed. They were then joined by Hjaltland, as I understand it, who agreed with some more SIC "wisdom" that it was "okay" to considerably increase the density of the residential, and put its proximity to the industrial virtually as near as practically possible. These as the people, as MuckleJoannie says, who created this problem, its up to them to sort it. So far they've gotten off scot free, and folk who are just trying to acquire and use the building/site for a use it was created for are getting all the flak.

 

Chopping up fish for human food, and chopping up beef/mutton for human food are both "Industrial - Food Processing" activities, to those on the outside looking in, especially with the list of proposed conditions attached to the planning permission, there will be no detectable difference whatsoever. Objections as far as I can see are being wholly emotively driven, rather than factually driven.

 

For those who have lived in the area from before the Industrial building was developed, and who were against it, but were over-ruled, I have sympathy. To those who have moved in since the building was given planning permission, I have none. You moved there knowing fine well how close you were moving to Industrial facilities, if you didn't, you must have been blind. The only "difference" you will be aware of between processing fish and processing beef/mutton is in your head, not in practice. You made the choice to live that close to industrial buildings, now you have to live with it, if you feel you must pass blame, send it the way of the SIC, Hjaltland or whatever private developer chose and approved the site of your residence, they created the problem, no-one else.

 

A fourth suggestion. Maybe if so many residents in the neighbourhood are so opposed to living so close to an industrial building, they could all club together, form a co-op, and buy the site and building from the liquidator themselves. Dismantle the building and sell it, and also sell the site on for more housing. Bulldoze it and seed it to grass....Whatever they feel like.