MJ Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 yes the daughter could refuse but a court order can be issued to get a sample of DNA FROM EITHER THE CORD OR CHILD. The girl has not committed a crime nor has she made a complaint therefor no court order is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Surely she has committed a crime by involving a younger male in a sexual adventure. I always kind of understood that if neither party was able to give consent by reason of age then the older party was guilty of statutory rape. That said I am convinced that the welfare of the baby should be the most important issue in this whole affair........and if I had my way the prosecution of the Sun for anything they could be prosecuted should be second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 yes the daughter could refuse but a court order can be issued to get a sample of DNA FROM EITHER THE CORD OR CHILD. The girl has not committed a crime nor has she made a complaint therefor no court order is possible.not true as a girl of under 15 .being pregnant is the evidence if an allagation is made against a very much more mature person the police have to investigate. the csa or whatever they are called will want to know who the daddy is. remember a young girl can not give consent. was this person working with the younger girl. if so thats even more heavy. the standard plod in england may not be over keen to become involved. but the child protection unit should be able to help. then theres always injunctions ect to keep him away. http://article.wn.com/view/2009/02/06/Jail_for_man_who_had_underage_sex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Surely she has committed a crime by involving a younger male in a sexual adventure. I always kind of understood that if neither party was able to give consent by reason of age then the older party was guilty of statutory rape. That said I am convinced that the welfare of the baby should be the most important issue in this whole affair........and if I had my way the prosecution of the Sun for anything they could be prosecuted should be second.nope a girl is not guilty at the moment but its due to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 ^^^ It works like that in England with the original case. Statutory Rape is <13. Age of Concent in England is 16 for males and hetrosexual females. In Scotland it's 16 for hetrosexual females and homosexual males. The bit between 13 and 16 is a bit of a grey area and although they are looking at changing the law about under 16s consenting, it could lead to lower reports of rape, as a raped 15yearold could risk prosecution if her case falls through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 DNA test confirms 13-year-old Alfie not the dad The £300 test was conducted on him after half a dozen boys claimed to have slept with schoolgirl pal Chantelle Stedman, 15. Although Alfie was convinced he was the dad after a single night of unprotected sex with Chantelle, the DNA test proved the 4ft-tall pupil was not the father of her tot Maisie Roxanne. Chantelle became pregnant aged 14 after she "forgot to take" her contraceptive pill last May. ho-hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassermaet Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Can see that keeping Jeremy Kyle in a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 He will be relay upset now that he's no longer the coolest kid in the class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 They should maybe think about getting a test done. Any chance you could PM me the lottery numbers Koy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Any chance you could PM me the lottery numbers Koy? Sure thing; although there may be a small fee involved. up front That one was more a wild guess based on him looking like he had all the baby making Capabilities of a novelty banana, and she did have a sort of chav, bike shed paste bucket look about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 That one was more a wild guess based on him looking like he had all the baby making Capabilities of a novelty banana, and she did have a sort of chav, bike shed paste bucket look about her. I thought that but waited for someone else to say it so the folk who got angry about calling her the town bike would have a go at that person first. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 these are kids. Should we not be questioning the parents abilities more than the kids actions. Also whoever the father is there is a child been brought into a poor environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunnered Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 ^^You are quite right, Paulb, to bring us all back into sombre mood because there is a very serious and sad aspect to all of this.Despite this, I just can't help chortling about the comment about the town bike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Perhaps they werent quite ready http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/ginluvva/Fun%20pics/headache-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 these are kids. Should we not be questioning the parents abilities more than the kids actions. Also whoever the father is there is a child been brought into a poor environment. Not commenting on this particular case as I have not followed the press reports closely or on the telly but feel I have to "leap" to the defence of parents around da globe ... ... mmm parents' abilities: Parents may well possess the ability to bring up their offspring in what they would deem to be a responsible manner. However, parents do not have rights but instead, responsibilities. That said, many a parent dare not shout at a child (the NSPCC adverts portray kiddies being upset and what psychologically harm a child can experience through shouting), you can't ground a child and lock them in their room (imprisonment); if they try to scale down the drainpipe when grounded and you catch them, you can't grab them by the wrists to restrain them as you may bruise them - some Social Services would deem this to be "significant harm". Err no legal definition per se in England (perhaps different in Scotland) as to what significant harm is. So, you are faced with a bolshy teenager (previously an absolutely adorable child) who will NOT listen to reason no matter how politely you speak to them. Said child has nicked £30 out your purse, didn't go to school and instead went to the local offy and bought loads of cider to drink with mates. In a restrained manner, you state that said £30 will be docked from pocket money and playstation confiscated. Oops, parent has a relapse and states that when they were a kid, their parents would have given them a slap. Said child's response: I'm gonna report you to Social Services, you're gonna hit me. Said parent had not said they were going to hit child. Teenager discusses matter with mates in school playground. Teacher overhears and reports matter to Social Services ... ... next thing you know you have a young, fresh out of college social worker on ya doorstep, kid whisked into care under their protection whilst they take 6 weeks to investigate. In the meantime, kid out until 11.00pm every night as foster carers take the attitude "Well, we can ask them to stay in but we can't make them", they still get at least £5 to £10 per week pocket money (dependent upon the guidelines for their age as in the Local Authority Handbook for Foster Carers), have a portable telly, DVD player and WII in their bedroom. Naturally, said child does not want to come home. You think I'm kidding? I flogged an item on e-bay and the person who collected it was a manager within a Social Services Department. Said person said world had gone crazy with children (oops, sorry, correct term should be "young people") knowing exactly what their rights were leaving parents struggling, be they working class or mega rich. Kids know how to work the system. Foster Carers get training and a handbook. Parents dont! Blimey, that could be interesting reading if all parents were issued with a handbook on giving birth! I just feel that parents should not be blamed for everything. You may see a teenager or younger child vandalising a bus stop. Do you intervene? Many people wouldn't, for fear of the likkle darling (and not necessarily a hoodie) pulling a blade on you or kicking you in the shins. You get my jist? Not just parents, but society, politicians et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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