JAStewart Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thoughts of this? I don't that Britain acting the way it has was the stupidest thing to do. Where's free speech these days? I've seen Fitna - its not bad at all, I've seen FAR more anti-Islamic things on YouTube and what not. What the hell happened to Britain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 It's slightly ironic that so many folk are up in arms about this - in fact, these are exactly the same folk who have supported keeping out the Islamic preachers who've been stopped from entering Britain, or Louis Farrakan, or any of the 270 other people who've been stopped in the past four years. If you want to make a point about censorship, you have to be consistent. I don't think he should have been stopped, but he shouldn't really have been asked to speak in the House of Lords either. David Irving wouldn't be invited, nor would an extremist Islamic preacher. It was a poor idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Malachy theres a BIG difference between making a film that shows the connection between Islam and terrorism and actually preaching the killing of non Muslims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertieiddabanks Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Well if i went on record and said i didn't think 6 million jews died in WWII I could be jailed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Nothing can beet Satire, some times to show up this silly bigot for what he is. The fact that we stopped him getting into the UK. Has brought more publicly and attention to his views than if he had been let in. Not every Islamic who reads the Koran is a Islamic extremist, just as every Christian who reads the bible is an Christian extremist. I was under the impression that free speech meant people can say what they want to say, we may not like whats been said but had to put up with it. You cant even say ba ba black sheep any more because some don’t like to hear it. Has every black sheep now, ment to be white washed before they can be put out in the fields from know on. As JAStewart has pointed out the following “I've seen Fitna - its not bad at all, I've seen FAR more anti-Islamic things on YouTube and what not.†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertieiddabanks Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 the most anti-islamic thing i've seen in the past 5 years was american soldiers raising the stars and stripes in baghdad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Malachy theres a BIG difference between making a film that shows the connection between Islam and terrorism and actually preaching the killing of non Muslims! Well, there is certainly a difference, but it's one of blatancy rather than of intent. This film, from what I've seen of it, is a fairly nasty attempt to stir up hatred against Muslims, and as such it probably breaks British laws against such things. The other ironic thing of course about this issue is that Geert Wilders and the tabloids are shouting about the British government's censorship, but Wilders himself has been quite specific about his aims with this film: to ban the Koran in the Netherlands. And I'm not quite sure what you could call that if not censorship, and of a pretty extreme form. As I say, I don't agree with stopping him coming, but I don't think he should have been allowed to speak in the house of Lords even if he had entered the country. I don't think our parliament should be given as a platform to people with these kind of unpleasant, extremist views. He's an idiot, let him go and shout in a corner somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Malachy theres a BIG difference between making a film that shows the connection between Islam and terrorism and actually preaching the killing of non Muslims! Well, there is certainly a difference, but it's one of blatancy rather than of intent. This film, from what I've seen of it, is a fairly nasty attempt to stir up hatred against Muslims, and as such it probably breaks British laws against such things. The other ironic thing of course about this issue is that Geert Wilders and the tabloids are shouting about the British government's censorship, but Wilders himself has been quite specific about his aims with this film: to ban the Koran in the Netherlands. And I'm not quite sure what you could call that if not censorship, and of a pretty extreme form. As I say, I don't agree with stopping him coming, but I don't think he should have been allowed to speak in the house of Lords even if he had entered the country. I don't think our parliament should be given as a platform to people with these kind of unpleasant, extremist views. He's an idiot, let him go and shout in a corner somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Mally, I listened to an interview with MP Wilders just today where he specifically said that he did not want to ban the Koran. (It was on the bbc news website). Well if i went on record and said i didn't think 6 million jews died in WWII I could be jailed for it. In Germany and Austria maybe, but not in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Which was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://media.richarddawkins.net/images/2009/victor-stenger-bus.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmalade Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 And there I was, on facebook, saw you'd written that and impressed you came up with it yourself, but no, you stole it from a bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 but no, you stole it from a bus. The bus image is not real, it is a website service. MiM sent me one he'd done about me. Nice idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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