The trouble with conspiracy theories

[KOYAANISQATSI]

It's funny how we can look now at Joseph McCarthy, thinking everyone with a beard or a guitar is a dangerous Commie and anti-American, and consider him as a paranoid, nasty buffoon. And yet here's a video of one of McCarthy's followers, and simply because he's less well known his words are being held up as somehow believable.

 

I don't know if that goes under strawman or association fallacy but whatever; the report on what Catherine Casey found, sounded exactly that; believable and not just an outright, extreme, vicious and very strange lie, as you seem to suggest.

I'm not a cop but it sounded like a serious charge Dodd was making. Could this not be checked by releasing the report that sent Catherine insane, after she had got her first glimpse of the fangs of the beast?

Or by checking the foundations vaults for the record itself. Surely if the claims are false then these good people deserve to have their names cleared.

 

If these foundations were conspiring to lay the foundations of socialism into American life, they must have been rubbish at it.

 

Ford Foundation president Rowan Gaither, who Dodd alleges told him off the record that ""all of us [Foundation leaders] that have a hand in the making of policies here have had experience, either with the OSS during the war, or the European Economic Administration after the war - we've had experience dealing with directives, and these directives emanated from the White House.

Mr. Dodd, we operate under directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant making power so to alter life in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."

 

Although this is an off record statement, the essence of this claim can be corroborated by looking at other evidence. In 1972, the White House pushed for the beginning of a World Economic Community around 1990 and in 1985 the United States and the Soviet Union agreed on a merger of education systems, and continued further policy mergers until 1990. The title of the documentation corroborating this claim is THE GENERAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ON CONTACTS, EXCHANGES AND COOPERATION IN SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, EDUCATIONAL, CULTURAL AND OTHER FIELDS.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Dodd

 

The American Historical Association’s Report on the Commission on Social Studies supports these claims.

 

“the Commission could not limit itself to a survey of textbooks, curricula, methods of instruction, and schemes of examination, but was impelled to consider the condition and prospects of the American people as a part of Western civilization now merging into a world order.

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“The Commission was also driven to this broader conception of its task by the obvious fact that American civilization, in common with Western civilization, is passing through one of the great critical ages of history, is modifying its traditional faith in economic individualism, and is embarking upon vast experiments in social planning and control which call for large-scale cooperation on the part of the people.â€

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“As to the specific form which this “collectivism,†this integration and interdependence, is taking and will take in the future, the evidence at hand is by no means clear or unequivocal. It may involve the limiting or supplanting of private property by public property or it may entail the preservation of private property, extended and distributed among the masses. Most likely, it will issue from a process of experimentation and will represent a composite of historic doctrines and social conceptions yet to appear. Almost certainly it will involve a larger measure of compulsory as well as voluntary co-operation of citizens in the conduct of the complex national economy, a corresponding enlargement of the functions of government, and an increasing state intervention in fundamental branches of economy previously left to individual discretion and initiative-a state intervention that in some instances may be direct and mandatory and in others indirect and facilitative. In any event the Commission is convinced by its interpretation of available empirical data that the actually integrating economy of the present day is the forerunner of a consciously integrated society, in which individual economic actions and individual property, rights will be altered and abridged.â€

 

That's only dug out of Wikpedia mind you, so if you're also going for that being an outright lie or a typo; then go find and check the original report but don't be surprised if it says just what was said it says.

[Malachy]

Your entire supporting evidence is taken from a Wikipedia page that is criticised at the top for being based almost entirely on a single source, ie a conspiracy website.

 

That's hardly surprising - the links you post generally are paper trails to nowhere - but rereading this section I noticed something amusing:

 

Although this is an off record statement, the essence of this claim can be corroborated by looking at other evidence. In 1972, the White House pushed for the beginning of a World Economic Community around 1990 and in 1985 the United States and the Soviet Union agreed on a merger of education systems, and continued further policy mergers until 1990.

Hmm, this is interesting - so, between 1985 and 1990 the United States and the Soviet Union were moving closer together, which suggests a Communist plot within the US? Does it not actually reflect the changes that were taking place within the USSR at the time, centred around perestroika? These were changes implemented by Gorbachev (who came to power, incidentally, in 1985). By 1990 the USSR was well on the way to not existing. Perhaps the writer of that page is just historically illiterate?

 

 

The Reece Committee actually produced two reports - a majority and a minority report. The majority report stated: "Some of the larger foundations have directly supported 'subversion' in the true meaning of that term--namely, the process of undermining some of our vitally protective concepts and principles. They have actively supported attacks upon our social and governmental system and financed the promotion of socialism and collectivist ideas." This was the opinion of the McCarthyites on the committee, and their view of the world was pretty common at the time - paranoid about Communism to the point of delusion (see the John Birch Society). The minority report however stated that the whole process had been tainted by this paranoia, that it had been biased in terms of who was allowed to testify, and that it amounted to an attack on independent thought.

 

I repeat my charge - if there was a Communist conspiracy, it failed. The US remained violently anti-Communist for decades, until Communism died. Now you may think it's still secretly controlling the world or something, but if that's true then it's not really Communism is it? We don't have any kind of collectivism; people aren't guaranteed work; I see nothing even remotely like Communism around. What we have is autocratic capitalism, which is exactly what people like McCarthy and Dodd wanted. They won. Great! Woopee! They saved us from socialism.

 

 

(Edited for a mistake in my quoting - having serious problems getting it to work properly for some reason.)

[KOYAANISQATSI]

I understand why the stand point of absolute denial when seeing one part of the puzzle and if you only have a lifetime of old media to form your opinions, with no critical thinking needed; It must be a bit of a stretch to attempt to understand the extent of the thing, as you try to fit it into the context of 'the world according to what is already a fully written down and accepted history of how things work and interact'.

 

Hmm, this is interesting - so, between 1985 and 1990 the United States and the Soviet Union were moving closer together, which suggests a Communist plot within the US? Does it not actually reflect the changes that were taking place within the USSR at the time, centred around perestroika? These were changes implemented by Gorbachev (who came to power, incidentally, in 1985). By 1990 the USSR was well on the way to not existing.

 

Come let's mix where Rockefellers

walk with sticks or um-ber-ellas

in their mitts

Puttin' on the Ritz

 

Gorbachev has Bilderberg fingerprints all over him.

 

I repeat my charge - if there was a Communist conspiracy, it failed. The US remained violently anti-Communist for decades, until Communism died.

 

Communism, like capitalism, is just an idea and it will be altered to suit the needs of whatever powerbase is using it on the day.

 

"The New World Order means a new kind of civilization," Gorbachev told the Chicago CFR on May 8, 1991.

 

Communism and capitalism can be shifted to big societyism or New World orderism with the same ease they plopped us over from Brown to Cameron or Bush to Obama, without ever having to worry what any pre election poll says. This is their power and this is their game.

 

A few involved on the lower levels of need to know, may only have good intensions...

 

To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing.

 

but the road to hell is well paved with twin tower bricks and the lines painted for us in terror alert red; as old Osama lies, still rotting in the hole they buried him in before the big 9/11 show.

 

Now you may think it's still secretly controlling the world or something, but if that's true then it's not really Communism is it?

 

This much is true. It is not at all really Communism and what it is, is not for the people and not by the people.

 

False flags, terror alerts, economic crashes, wars and AGbloodyW are just a means to an end, to the man behind the curtain of police, at another informal meeting of those who think they are better than you, just because their bank statement tells them so.

 

Almost had a little lol to myself today as I read your post, while watching the news, with the low income families in America, queuing up for emergency food hand outs; yet still managing to stick up for Obama as they're getting shafted.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

In fact, one thing that I have noticed... is that all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume everyone is endlessly stupid.

 

It sometimes seems amazing, how much profit that "stupid" turns over for some folk...

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4430543376785758889#01h22m45s

[ArabiaTerra]

This is interesting.

 

More here.

[mogling]

Yes, most intriguing AT!

 

The Favourites are: {according to one Forum I looked at}

 

1 The Vatican

2. China

3. The Reptilians / Aliens

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Foundation X was introduced to me 20 weeks ago last week by an eminent City firm, which is FSA controlled. Its chairman came to me and said, "We have this extraordinary request to assist in a major financial reconstruction. It is megabucks, but we need your help to assist us in understanding whether this business is legitimate".

 

wut?

 

Money is measured in Megabucks (MB). At the beginning of your turn, each Group you control collects the amount listed on its card. This income is placed directly on that card, becoming part of the Group’s treasury.

 

http://translated.by/you/illuminati-the-game-of-conspiracy-rules/original/

[EM]

The Favourites are:...

 

I think these guys seem quite likely contenders:

 

Office of International Treasury Control

[KOYAANISQATSI]

The over the table and under the table arrangements of the predator class...

 

Go!