abraxas Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Sorry, GR, I have te take issue with yer "only pre-meditated assault, victim pssing his attackers off" bit. One o the worst attacks in Shetland in recent years (no countin the Mooneys Wake one, where some Shetlanders tried te stop Police savin the victim, then tried te get them away from bein arrested) happened on the Street to an innocent man who'd had too much to drink an hadn't noised anyone up. His only "crime" was bein there when a pack o feckin animals - who still haven't been caught thanks te the "see nothin, hear nothin" mentality- set about him an literally played football with him an his head afore jumping up an down on him. Nowt premeditated bout that disgraceful episode, an if the cameras prevent one such, or lead te the animals goin away fer such, more power te them. Afore ye say it, they didn't care that there were witnesses, so I'm doubtin the dumb ****s will care about the cameras. Ye'd need brains fer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ^^ Unless you specify which particular assault you're referring to, which is unlikely to be left standing after a Mod passes through, no valid debate can be had on the accuracy of those statements. At best I can narrow the possibles for what you're referring to down to two, but no fewer, and they were very different occurances and in very different circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 One o the worst attacks in Shetland in recent years (no countin the Mooneys Wake one, where some Shetlanders tried te stop Police savin the victim, then tried te get them away from bein arrested) happened on the Street to an innocent man who'd had too much to drink an hadn't noised anyone up. His only "crime" was bein there when a pack o feckin animals - who still haven't been caught thanks te the "see nothin, hear nothin" mentality- set about him an literally played football with him an his head afore jumping up an down on him. Nowt premeditated bout that disgraceful episode, an if the cameras prevent one such, or lead te the animals goin away fer such, more power te them. The problem is when a pack of boozed up numpties decide they're going to play football with a human body short of the bobbies tapping them on the shoulder they aren't like going to stop. Aberdeen has cameras up the ying yang and they don't seem to be stopping the attacks just filming them. Just needed to watch North Tonight on tuesday to see some of the sickening crap people get up to when hammered. Personally speaking I feel safer knowing there are more Police patrols at that time of night than a CCTV system taping me getting a hiding from 5 cowards with a good chance the cameras won't be able to get a firm identification. I only read what was in the papers about Mooneys and from what I could tell there seemed to be a lack of decent human beings willing to stop someone getting kicked to death. ( ** MOD EDIT **) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=QRBV4HCC4RYFVQFIQMFCFGGAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2008/01/17/ncctv117.xml#form I think this all sounds true from someone in the know. Police admit drunks not deterred by CCTVSurveillance cameras do little, if anything, to prevent late night alcohol-fuelled crime and violence on Britain's high streets, the country's most senior police officer in the field has admitted. Graeme Gerrard, head of CCTV at the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that although Britain was now a virtual surveillance state, cameras usually failed to act as a deterrent for drunken yobs. advertisementHe told a parliamentary committee that while other countries were astonished at the scale to which Britons were snooped on by the authorities, the evidence suggested CCTV had little impact on levels of late-night violence. He also admitted the public had been "misled" into believing that installing camera systems would have a big impact on anti-social behaviour. Around £200 million has been spent on erecting more than four million CCTV cameras across the country over the past 10 years, leading the Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, recently to talk about "Surveillance Britain". Ministers have repeatedly stressed the benefits of CCTV on the grounds that they act as a deterrent. But speaking to the Lords constitution committee, Mr Gerrard, deputy chief constable of the Cheshire constabulary, said: "Most of the pressure [for CCTV] comes from the public. "Some of them may get disappointed when the CCTV goes in that actually... it doesn't deter most crime. I think they are perhaps misled in terms of the amount of crime that CCTV might prevent. "Before CCTV can effectively deter people, they need to know the cameras are there. They have got to be thinking about the consequences of their behaviour. "It is very effective in places like car parks, where offenders are going out to break into cars, and are thinking rationally. In terms of town centres, where a lot of the behaviour is violent behaviour, often fuelled by alcohol, people aren't thinking rationally. They get angry, the CCTV is the last thing they are thinking about. "Even the presence of police officers doesn't deter the disorder on the street, so cameras are unlikely to deter them." David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said the Government had undermined civil liberties for no apparent reason. Chris Huhne, the Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokesman, added: "We need to seriously rethink our gung-ho enthusiasm for the surveillance on every street corner in the country." A recent Home Office study found that 80 per cent of images from CCTV cameras were of such poor quality that they were worthless as evidence. To combat the problem, Mr Gerrard said he would like all camera owners and operators to be required by law to produce high quality images using a standardised system so the police could use them effectively in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Unless that person is wearing a bandanna or ski mask, of course. I know someone who was recognised by their trainers so unless the ned ditches the ski mask, if they are found with it they have to explain where they got it... Why should they ? It's not illegal to be in possession of a ski mask ( yet ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ^ neither are trainers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Du Braz Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hey Yokel-listas! I'm a big fan of CCTV especially if it catches drunk shetlanders involved in degrading sex acts with one another after a night on red tins. Only if everyone promises to wash first. Unfortunately, it'll probably be used by the Police bosses to watch their underlings and either criticize them or take ill founded disciplinary action against some cop. If you think I'm being silly just look out in the Times for some PC being hung out to dry by his/her bosses. In some cases deserved I know but this'll definitely be a circumstance of the watchmen being watched. Trust me, the average cop will be more afraid of them than us. Juan Du Braz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamnSaxon Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Bandannas? Ski masks? - If you want to see the face of things to come (or not), try googling on the phrase "goggle jacket" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Guilty by association? Police call for witnesses after assault A police spokesman said last night (Sunday) it was believed that a number of people had witnessed the assault but none had come forward so far. ...or is it a case of the "I'm not a grass" mentality. It's a shame that it's come to a stage that, through lack of community policing and lack of input from the community itself, we find ourselves in a position where we will be under the constant scrutiny of Big Brother's ever watchful eye in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Give 'em an inch... NEW spy laws are being used by Scottish councils to track people suspected of housing-benefit fraud, selling cigarettes to children and environmental-health offences.Campaigners are now calling for a "root-and-branch review" into the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (Ripa), after the scale of its use by local authorities across the UK was revealed. Ripa was introduced in 2000, primarily giving the police, security services and HM Revenue and Customs wide powers to spy on people and their communications. The main objectives of the Act were to help in the fight against crime and terrorism. But in 2002, the powers were controversially extended to councils, offering the opportunity to carry out surveillance. An investigation has now revealed that councils have even used the Act to track dog-foulers and litterbugs, with some local authorities using the powers more than 100 times in the last 12 months. For those of you in the "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about camp", isn't this reminiscent of how other forms of totalitarianism started out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man of kent Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Well, back in my day (late 60's early 70's), CCTV would have stood for Cowboy Cop and Toycop Verifying, they were enough to deter most youths who liked to congregate on Da Street. The mere sight was enough, I agree with most people, get the police off their backsides, out of their cars and go meet the people. Cowboy Cop knew my name, so I never got up to anything - well not when he was around anyway lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleepsie Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 BRITAIN'S network of CCTV cameras has been branded "an utter fiasco" for failing to cut crime, despite billions of pounds being spent on it. Detective Chief Inspector Mick Neville, who is in charge of closed-circuit television for the Metropolitan Police Force, claimed only 3 per cent of the capital's street robberies are solved using security camera footage and criminals are not afraid of being caught on film. His comments echo a government report last October which said most CCTV footage is not of high enough quality to help police identify offenders, with many cameras focused on enforcing bus lanes as well as stopping crime.http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Britain39s-multibillionpound--CCTV-.4055450.jp Jan 2008.Shetland Islands Council has approved the installation of 13 CCTV cameras in Lerwick town centre. An application for one additional camera will be considered by planners in February. Images from the Council’s new £200,000 CCTV system will be relayed to Lerwick police station for recording and monitoring. http://www.cctvcore.co.uk/11-01-2008-council-approves-cctv-for-lerwick.html 13 cameras! where are they to be deployed? The town centre isn't that big....or will it be Lerwick as a whole that is monitored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Yeah, 13 cameras to manage complete coverage of Commercial St / Esplanade. If you go herehttp://www.shetland.gov.uk/planningcontrol/apps/apps.asp and search for applications in Lerwick by "SIC Chief Executive" you'll see where they are all to go. More coverage of the "CCTV is a fiasco" storyhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/06/police_cctv_is_rubbish/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleepsie Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 This siting of these CCTV cameras is part of a proposal to site fourteen cameras along the town centre. This is to provide comprehensive coverage of Commercial Street, the Esplanade,Harrison Square and the Market Cross areas. The camera system will be owned by the Shetland Islands Council with the images being relayed to Lerwick Police Station for recording and monitoring. Two letters of representation has been received in response to the applications, and the objections can be summarised as follows:There is no notification regarding the direction of focus and field of vision for the two cameras It appears that the cameras are sited looking directly into the doorway of Posers Nightclub and the Grand Hotel’s rear entrance and also the doorway at the Thule Bar.Were the cameras not meant for the general safety of all persons in the centre of Lerwick and not just for the Law enforcement authorities to keep an eye on certain premises? Most of the premises that the cameras are pointed at are licensed premises. The position of the fourteenth camera at Fox Lane has been amended - the application was withdrawn and a new application submitted http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:DNtjm502yVgJ:www.shetland.gov.uk/coins/ViewSelectedDocument.asp%3FDocumentID%3D11717+lerwick+cctv+camera+positions&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk Ahhh yes, easy Policing! The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) launched its new CCTV code of practice at the Scottish Parliament today, and also released details of a survey of a thousand people in Scotland. Seventy-two per cent of respondents to the survey were against CCTV cameras which record conversations. This supports an earlier survey in London and South East England which produced similar results (70% against). Ken Macdonald, assistant commissioner for Scotland at the ICO, commented that although there is public support for CCTV being used to detect crime, there is the potential for the technology to be extremely intrusive. He said that using cameras to record conversations was an unacceptable invasion of privacy. http://www.cctvcore.co.uk/07-02-2008-72-of-scots-against-cctv-eavesdropping.html This could be the death knell to a good gossip on the street! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abraxas Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Geddagrip!!!!^^^^^^^^ Sheesh! Easy seein' where your tag came from! Yup, that's right folks! Every cop in Shetland is a lazy, good fer nuthin oaf (or oafess) that can't be arsed leavin' their nice comfy beds in their offices if we let them bring in these evil CCTV cameras that can record EVERY word you say!!! Cuz that's basically what yer accusin' them all o bein'. The same fowk yez will not think twice o callin' if kids play football outside yer door, or send yez a letter offerin yez five hundred million ugandan pounds if yez will only give them yer bank details an passwords so they can deposit it fer yez, or grieves yez in some other way. "THEY ARE THE ENEMY", is that it? No wonder kids these days have no respect fer law an order when it's drip fed them by their parents an other adults in ways such as these. I have said it before, I'm no great fan o the Police ALL THE TIME, but we need them (more than they need us!), an should be grateful fer the jobs they do that we would never want us or ours te have te do. *[An if yez get a nasty fixed penalty from the evil swine cuz ye weren't wearin' a seatbelt, or were talkin on yer mobile, or were bein an ass in the street on a Saturday night, or were usin someone else's doorway - or the street where my infant grandkids might walk on an trip an fall, landin in yer piss cuz ye're too lazy or stupid te use the pub's afore ye leave (can yez tell THAT's a pet hate o mine?! An ye see it EVERY feckin week in this town, from 'decent fowk'! ) then HELL MEND YEZ!]* But yez only have te read some o the (often fairly rabidly) anti-Police comments posted over the years here, te see the institutional mindset that permeates a fair few fowk in Shetland. I kinda think the powers that be won't (and can't) see it as a licence te take cops off the street, particularly when they have this big media sales pitch on at the tick, about how they're INCREASING their numbers across the whole area - even in Shetland (Great! MORE fowk fer yez te hate an have a pop at!!). Hell, give it a few months. If they're lyin', lynch the b*******ds, eh? Anyways, the detection rate fer crime here is already practically the highest in Britain. What've yez got te whinge about? Anyways Mr P^^, why bother usin' the CCTV to record yer sooooooo interestin' conversations, when the satellites trained on ye and yer house do it for them? I heard that wearin a hat made o tinfoil scrambles the signal though! Try it an see! (Pigeons? MEEOW! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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